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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg now this is the

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Parekh s it is not the tec-9 a liar but

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for the past few minutes Alan Greenfield

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and I have been talking about setting

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the audio input levels on his Windows 10

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computer what we're talking about here

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is to jack up the volume a little bit so

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we hear him a bit better now you think

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that would be an easy thing to do run

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your Windows Microsoft has decided

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nothing is easy to give you a sample of

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what happens those of you listening to

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the show if you have a Mac you simply

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click system preferences click sound

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choose input from the tabs and you have

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a level control on the selected mic and

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you increase it or decrease it isn't

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that amazing how hard that is yeah you

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don't need to read a help engine it's

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not fixed it says this is that

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informative well I hear you it's the

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fracking mini but sure okay okay we're

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going to try that no we're not because

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we're doing a show now oh that's okay he

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will have fun and he will do things

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there that you know he may enter another

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dimension okay so we will hear an echo

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things may happen that we don't predict

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levels look I've got levels well that's

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good

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okay and the levels go up go up up how's

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that no change

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how's that people in France parlez-vous

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me so for D I can hear you fine okay I

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don't have any problems on my way

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machine it's just a couple of clicks

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away from me perhaps it's just gene in

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his magic box Oh gene disappeared

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gee gene it's an abduction folks it's an

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abduction can we can we save gene for

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that rectal exam tune in again in five

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four three two he's gone well he'll have

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a good time I can't think you're right

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Allen I think he is gone yeah it's for

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my own experience I happen to know while

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he's gone that way he can't interrupt

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this try just typing sound into your

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search bar and see what happens you know

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what's gonna happen here is Allen is

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going to imagine I'm not here we were

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both imagining you were not here you

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would both dreaming I wasn't here I know

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there are people out there we call them

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stalkers who hope I wouldn't be here but

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if I'm not here they'd have nothing to

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talk about you might have to back up

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because we got talking and like in your

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absence I know everything about what you

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said all about that Allen Greenfield we

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haven't had John in a year or so I'm

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sure that I was on in January but we

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were I think it was New Year's Eve or

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something and it shows that Tina Marie

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was talking to me on New Year's Eves

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must be that we were on I'll have to

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check my list of radio programs that I'm

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honestly keep going back to the 1960s

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you're on with Buckley I think right

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what a bit synchronicities yeah you two

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really have a way with words

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you see Randall was guest co-host there

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too and you were on with the one the

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only thank heavens

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Tim Buckley Jerome Clark and Rick hill

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burger I remember and I was polite Jerry

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and he was polite to me which is a

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rarity nearly impossible right but this

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was August 13th so it is about 11 months

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since you've been here since then we

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lost another trooper couple of troopers

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depending on your point of view we lost

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art Belle

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Oh too bad I see that really affected

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you I'm devastated perhaps he's in a

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better place you know San Diego yeah and

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I truly what is the volume control on

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windows 10 see they have an answer to

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everything it just doesn't anything okay

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so we lost Brad Steiger real name Eugene

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Olsen former teacher who took up the

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cause of the weird in the 1960s

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actually probably a little later than we

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did but he had a great many books and

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they were all fascinating thing is he

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didn't reveal sources which reminds me

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of the very late Frank Edwards who

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seeing the dwarf that worked for the

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Atlanta Braves turned to me and said

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they've landed a tasteless person I had

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talked to Frank Edwards a few weeks

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before he died but that wasn't the

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reason but I met him at a TV show where

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Jim mostly was packing the audience so I

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had to ask a question and I asked my

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question and he answered it and we had

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pleasant conversation after the show and

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a few weeks later he was dead well then

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he died during our convention the giant

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saucer show in New York the hotel that

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oh well that really doesn't tell you

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anything he took over old over just well

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every was a broadcaster too wasn't he

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gene yeah there's a radio show one of

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the he was a mutual broadcaster way way

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back

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40s and 50s yeah one of the originals in

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the field and then he got into writing

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books I've got a couple of them here

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she's got extra copies anyone wants to

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see missed UFO anniversary by one day

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well I got a call from grey Parker may

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he rest in peace in the middle of the

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night and he said guess what Frank

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Edwards doesn't come here the convention

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I said oh he died oh that's a sorry

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excuse for not coming to the convert to

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the giant saucers

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like three o'clock in the morning so I

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stand that was the 24th so he probably

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died you know before midnight on the

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23rd but that's exactly right

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his death was announced at the Congress

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of scientific ufologists in New York

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City on June 24th 1967 and that is from

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Wikipedia Wow he's got a Wikipedia

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article well hope it's better than mine

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cheese what does your Wikipedia article

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say except text missing fairly long and

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I don't know wrote it looks like several

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people contributed to it but it it's

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mostly stuff that they they get it right

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areas but they don't get it quite right

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and they barely mentioned ufology so and

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don't mention anything about me

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personally and I take offense at that

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it's like I'm not just a robot you know

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sir it's actually kind of impersonal

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looking at it right now you know I mean

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I'm not allowed to do anything on it so

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whoever put it up in little pieces has

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missed a lot of stuff about me that

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should be there but what can I do

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I've traveled the world well bah bah bah

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bah bah bah bah Pincus curtains

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looking here we've got flying saucer

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serious business we this is a book that

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sold for what 25 cents back in the day

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and they're going oh no no anywhere from

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now I or a dollar 25 maybe I'm gonna

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they're going through 975 it was it was

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his one and only bestseller in it it

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made the New York Times bestseller list

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which was very prestigious in those days

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the nonfiction list so that was the only

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book that he had that was you know on on

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The Times bestseller list but I'm going

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for 20 bucks paperback version 1966

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there is

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truth to the rumor that Frank Edwards

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was the inspiration for the Beatles song

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paperback writer no they said so well

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right here it is Flying Saucer serious

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business overwhelming new evidence that

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they are real the paperback from a

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dollar 49 from 19 and 66 and then the

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hardcover which is the one I had I had

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the real hard cover and the hardcover

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from 675 yeah that was a Lyle Stuart

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book if I remember right which Lyle

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Stuart was sort of famous for softcore

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porn and and mystical books sort of the

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how do I adit this breasts and saucers

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theory we've got more to come with Alan

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and gene and Randall you're in the para

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we also have swag you know we have all

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these exclusive para cast things that

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you can buy

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we've got like I guess 60 or so

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different items and entails t-shirts

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sleeves for notebook computers iPad

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tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and

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jackets and stuff like that for men and

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women we have a para cast aluminum water

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bottle all the stuff you go to steward

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on to the para cast comm store dot the

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in multiple sizes and colors we even

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have stuff for children stuff for

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women's stuff for men we have all sorts

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moonlights as an echo echo echo anyway

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we actually started talking about Brad

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stager

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yeah Brad was a great guy and he was

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always very nice to me and I return the

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favor and he he did really interesting

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stuff my only criticism of his stuff was

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he would I understand that printing

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sources but you know being in the field

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I really would have liked to at least

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confidentially you know have confirmed

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some of his better cases because there

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are people that from the past like Frank

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Edwards who some of their stories like

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the alexander the great flying shield

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things and the famous what was it andrew

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lying the guy that disappeared in the

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1890s the stories are totally bogus and

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i don't know if he originated any of

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them or whether he just picked them up

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uncritically from new sources but

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because of that I think Brad was a you

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know super honest reporter but if you

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don't actually get the chance to talk to

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sources how do you know I mean in on

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individual cases I like to do the proof

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thing I don't think that it proves

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anything about UFOs but there are

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authentic cases and there are cases that

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can be easily dismissed Brad was a

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storyteller that was his his real

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strength and I loved getting his books

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and just reading through them because he

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brought you into the

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Sene he made you feel like you were

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there witnessing the event with the way

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he wrote so it wasn't so much that he

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was just doing a compilation like a

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report and I think that was really what

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made him successful so yeah it would be

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nice if he had some sources but he's

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just a figure that is really important

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in the whole culture for his

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storytelling ability that's a very

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important thing I've been arguing that

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for years primarily about gray Parker

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you know people say well is that true

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and gray would have said what do you

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mean true because the truth is

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subjective what would you call them guns

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the guns are journalists of ufology they

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get inside the phenomena and they make

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you feel it and if they make you feel it

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you get it you get as much as anybody

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has about it if you're inside the

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experience the experience is numinous

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but it's not not resolved and perhaps

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not resolvable but you can't appreciate

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it and you know Brad could tell a story

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but you know so could Frank Edwards his

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early books at which the stranger book

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stranger than science strangest of all

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they were glimpses into eternity you

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know he would put you right there with

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the 1896 97 airships including the

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really really bizarre cases there that

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sound more like dreams than realities

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but there but you know there is real as

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anything else out there

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when you say numinous now that conjures

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up a lot of religious connotations

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what's your interpretation of that is it

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something a little more generalized or

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how are we supposed to take that when

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you say the phenomena is numinous you

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know Dave Halpern who does a little

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recognize but very serious academic

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ufology thing and was a kid with us back

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in the day he would come to our events

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in New York and New Jersey and wherever

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we were planted at the time and he ran

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the New Jersey UFO group although he

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lived in Philly figure that one out it

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was unique but anyway Dave's opinion

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is that this is a religious phenomenon

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if I'm reading him correctly in other

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words the way new manasa T is meant in a

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spiritual / Jungian context is precisely

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what he thinks is going on he doesn't

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take Ezekiel's wheel to be a spaceship

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he takes it to be an encounter with the

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great what they were great

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what's it well what am I gonna call it

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God I mean it's such a Germanic term

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that doesn't really convey anything it

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certainly isn't talking about the Elohim

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of Israel

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it certainly isn't talking about Christ

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it isn't talking about the Buddha it's a

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Germanic term that we've gotten stuck

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with because it's the term that's gotten

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stuck and it's no wonder that

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Millennials who are very spiritual in

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general are also not into organized

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religion because it doesn't make any

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sense

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it conjures up the ceiling of the

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Sistine Chapel and the look the guy with

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the beard and that's more like Mel

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Brooks as Moses than than anything that

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I would call you know what do you call

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it I mean I'm just kind of I'm trying to

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get a bit of a bead on this because in

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listening to some of your past talks and

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comments you're not a real fan of

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established religion you're more into

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the magic Wiccan type of leaning nature

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type of thing from what I gather or do

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you actually mean you know God from

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heaven being some other realm beyond

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this one no I what do you mean I'll find

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it for you but that's gonna go pretty

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far afield for this show however is a

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para cast so I'll give you a para

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opinion I'm not a neo-pagan and I'm not

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a fella might actually I'm a lifelong

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reformed you which is I belong to a

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reformed temple and I go to services and

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I've always had comfortably relatively

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conservative liberal theology views

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but I'm willing to look at all kinds of

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things across the spectrum from

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classical Gnosticism to modern

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Gnosticism to Eastern religions to

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Salima to neo-paganism and I've been

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president many events of that sort some

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I'm comfortable with some I'm not but I

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think we are a you know Maya

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my education is in comparative religion

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and so I have an interest in it I do

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think the term religion like the term

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God is becoming archaic but that's

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because I think spirituality is a more

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accurate term for people who are

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experiential believers Karen Armstrong

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argues convincingly I think that

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religion is a doing not a believing in

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the modern sense of the term however I

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noticed that I can't not notice it

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because I'm pretty eclectic that UFO

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experiences have many things in common

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with near-death experiences which are

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often interpreted in a religious context

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and ballet was among the first people to

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point out that medieval folklore and

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even earlier folklore and and UFO lore

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have many points in common so they may

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be culturally culturally conditioned the

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same things it follows that perhaps what

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are called religious experiences that

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they're safely and the far past are in

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fact the same kind of experience and as

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I understand Dave's point of view it's

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he regards the Ezequiel wheel which has

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long been taken to be either just a

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miraculous event in the Orthodox sort of

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way of looking at things or as a UFO

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seen by an exiled prophet in the fifth

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century BCE Allen Greenfield explaining

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all about wheels watching the wheels go

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a choice 9 echo alan greenfield the one

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an original telling us about Ezekiel's

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wheels wheels wheels wheels wheels

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wheels so we have a bunch of religious

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dogma

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on it people and so by that I mean

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stories so we have a whole list of

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stories we have we can call it mythology

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you call it dog my we can call it

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folklore that's going on throughout

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history that from that particular angle

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you could look at the phenomena from the

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people who are with that worldview as

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being something numinous whereas say

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somebody who's not religious who's

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flying a jet plane tracking one on radar

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there's nothing numinous about that it

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is to the recipient not if they're not

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religious now that they're going this is

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an object it's appears to be like a

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tic-tac it's a kraut it's about the size

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of a f-18 they're pursuing and it's well

588
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if you talk to people post-event

589
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particularly the closer the encounter

590
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the more numinous and the Jungian

591
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chameleon sense of an experience of the

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infinite within themselves people do

593
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crazy things pilots who are very well

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trained go beyond the level that they're

595
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I mean the other events have like Thomas

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Mantell is the classical case he was

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probably chasing oh the some people say

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the planet Venus which it can be very

599
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impressive and looks like it's moving if

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you're in a vehicle and particularly in

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an airplane he was flying flying a 51 I

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mean he was saying that the object look

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large and metallic he wasn't describing

604
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in his angelic now but he was willing to

605
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lose all of his training not old pilot

606
00:29:22,180 --> 00:29:17,210
goes beyond 20,000 feet it was not a

607
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pressurized cabin and a p-51 and he lost

608
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consciousness and crashed leading to the

609
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mythos

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why would a pilot do that if he wasn't

611
00:29:35,049 --> 00:29:31,340
climbing the stairway to heaven I think

612
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that you're under estimating the effect

613
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:38,750
that these events have on the witnesses

614
00:29:43,930 --> 00:29:41,450
because what we hear is that the

615
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:43,940
cut-and-dry version from nuts and bolts

616
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interviewers newspaper people you follow

617
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,090
just whatever and they tend to reduce it

618
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,120
to its scientific sounding anyway

619
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scientific sounding if you follow what

620
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I'm saying

621
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they have ineffective religious

622
00:30:02,889 --> 00:30:01,370
experience and it profoundly affects

623
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:02,899
them in much the same way that

624
00:30:07,450 --> 00:30:05,360
near-death experiences affect people

625
00:30:09,580 --> 00:30:07,460
that who are the percipient of those

626
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:09,590
there's a lot of scientific stuff on

627
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,279
that pro and con but for the experience

628
00:30:18,789 --> 00:30:15,679
or there are profound long-range effects

629
00:30:22,330 --> 00:30:18,799
or even a considerable number of studies

630
00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:22,340
of people who experience near-death

631
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experiences that their lives are

632
00:30:30,129 --> 00:30:27,679
completely changed by the experience so

633
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you're kind of maybe if referring to

634
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something like Val a it called it a

635
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reality shifter or reality changer where

636
00:30:39,940 --> 00:30:36,860
the nature of the experience is so

637
00:30:43,419 --> 00:30:39,950
overwhelming to the witness that it

638
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,429
changes their worldview it makes them

639
00:30:49,509 --> 00:30:45,679
see things in a new and a different way

640
00:30:50,830 --> 00:30:49,519
and it leaves them open to reviewing not

641
00:30:53,710 --> 00:30:50,840
only the worldview but even the

642
00:30:56,019 --> 00:30:53,720
suggestion if you listen to some of the

643
00:30:58,330 --> 00:30:56,029
people who are contactees or people who

644
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have have allegedly been in

645
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:00,529
communication with aliens they seem to

646
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just take what they say for granted as

647
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if it's the gospel truth

648
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and they don't think about it until

649
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later it is that sort of what you're

650
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getting at that's all yeah yeah I mean

651
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:12,130
it changes how they live their lives

652
00:31:21,129 --> 00:31:17,450
right yeah I agree with that is the

653
00:31:23,409 --> 00:31:21,139
definition of a numinous experience in

654
00:31:25,570 --> 00:31:23,419
the classical sense I wrote to Damascus

655
00:31:28,029 --> 00:31:25,580
type experience which you could

656
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:28,039
interpret in UFO terms also if you

657
00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:31,010
wanted to you know there are people that

658
00:31:36,850 --> 00:31:33,350
have what was that woman's name the

659
00:31:39,100 --> 00:31:36,860
minister that UFOs in the Bible she was

660
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,110
very much into the notion

661
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:41,600
the biblical events could be seen in

662
00:31:47,289 --> 00:31:44,090
terms of UFOs my argument is reverse of

663
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:47,299
that that UFO freakin events can be seen

664
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in terms of if you factor in young and

665
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Joseph Campbell and maybe a liberal dose

666
00:32:00,760 --> 00:31:58,490
of William James you're getting very

667
00:32:01,930 --> 00:32:00,770
close to all we can really know about

668
00:32:04,930 --> 00:32:01,940
these things

669
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by studying not so much the phenomena

670
00:32:08,289 --> 00:32:06,559
but studying what happens to the

671
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:08,299
witnesses and saying what is this

672
00:32:14,770 --> 00:32:11,809
comparative it compares to meeting the

673
00:32:16,690 --> 00:32:14,780
Gods going to the Oracle having a

674
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:16,700
near-death experience having a

675
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:18,910
life-changing experience it's

676
00:32:25,299 --> 00:32:22,850
transformative and the source may be

677
00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:25,309
something that we can never exactly get

678
00:32:31,270 --> 00:32:27,740
at but we can say things about that

679
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:31,280
source because people change

680
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:33,130
I even think some of the secondary

681
00:32:39,220 --> 00:32:36,799
experiences actually happen at the time

682
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:39,230
of the original experience outside of

683
00:32:45,070 --> 00:32:42,080
time there they have tiny time pills as

684
00:32:48,220 --> 00:32:45,080
I used to say about a certain anti

685
00:32:50,830 --> 00:32:48,230
congestion to medication and somebody

686
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,840
like Strieber I'm sure he would not you

687
00:32:55,570 --> 00:32:53,360
know particularly appreciate by saying

688
00:32:58,450 --> 00:32:55,580
this but I think he originally had a

689
00:33:00,970 --> 00:32:58,460
very real experience although he himself

690
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:00,980
was skeptical or that he was really

691
00:33:07,659 --> 00:33:04,010
seeing things as they are instead of

692
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:07,669
things as the phenomena manifested for

693
00:33:13,450 --> 00:33:10,640
him but his subsequent experiences get

694
00:33:15,789 --> 00:33:13,460
wilder and wilder uri geller starts off

695
00:33:18,610 --> 00:33:15,799
with a UFO experience and then he starts

696
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:18,620
you know doing watches and bending

697
00:33:25,539 --> 00:33:21,770
spoons and other things I think people

698
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:25,549
that have experiences manifest those

699
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:28,490
experiences for the rest of their lives

700
00:33:34,390 --> 00:33:32,240
and that is not studied in ufology as

701
00:33:37,299 --> 00:33:34,400
much as it should be instead what we

702
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,309
focus on is what is that they saw which

703
00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:39,440
may not be the correct question which is

704
00:33:43,390 --> 00:33:41,750
why the it's never answered because it's

705
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:43,400
not the correct question which is

706
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:45,650
something I've been arguing for 40 years

707
00:33:51,100 --> 00:33:48,650
now I must say there are more people who

708
00:33:52,450 --> 00:33:51,110
tend to agree with me now than was

709
00:33:54,430 --> 00:33:52,460
true when I was putting out the

710
00:33:59,020 --> 00:33:54,440
alternate horizons newsletter in the

711
00:34:01,180 --> 00:33:59,030
late 1960s so progress does exist but I

712
00:34:02,830 --> 00:34:01,190
wouldn't go to a MUFON convention to

713
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:02,840
find it I think you're on to something

714
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:04,910
that we need to refine it we need to

715
00:34:10,930 --> 00:34:07,570
make it sharper so that we can

716
00:34:13,570 --> 00:34:10,940
understand what exactly it is you're

717
00:34:15,790 --> 00:34:13,580
talking about there I think I'm with you

718
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:15,800
to a certain extent I think the witness

719
00:34:21,609 --> 00:34:18,649
is definitely are a key factor in

720
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:21,619
determining the nature of the phenomena

721
00:34:29,619 --> 00:34:24,889
and what it's doing here if I don't

722
00:34:33,099 --> 00:34:29,629
sound clear it's because we have all had

723
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:33,109
so much of the paradigm of spaceships

724
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:35,530
coming to Earth from somewhere else or

725
00:34:42,190 --> 00:34:38,690
natural phenomena misinterpreted as that

726
00:34:44,169 --> 00:34:42,200
or hoaxes that we we tend to make it a

727
00:34:45,879 --> 00:34:44,179
false dichotomy it's either one of those

728
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:45,889
or the other and I I think it's

729
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something entirely different and I would

730
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say read when prophecy fails which is

731
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about cognitive dissonance be sure to

732
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watch the profound and little song HBO

733
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series the I almost said the invaders so

734
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wonder what brought that up the

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leftovers which is also a pretty good

736
00:35:17,770 --> 00:35:13,430
book the series is short but much better

737
00:35:19,810 --> 00:35:17,780
and it raises all these quasar religious

738
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questions without providing any real

739
00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:22,010
answers to them and of course that's

740
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what you expect with profound

741
00:35:30,670 --> 00:35:27,650
experiences you expect them to be not

742
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something that you can grab hold up and

743
00:35:38,020 --> 00:35:35,570
put in put in an essay you can't is this

744
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is this something that then is just

745
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conjured up in people's minds because of

746
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their belief in any particular religion

747
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or do you really think that there is an

748
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objective reality separate from the

749
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:50,630
witness that is sending out some sort of

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00:35:56,020 --> 00:35:53,570
perception to the witness and then the

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00:36:00,280 --> 00:35:56,030
witness is interpreting it within their

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cultural paradigm both I think first of

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all there is a serious question as to

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whether reality as we understand it is

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simply a limitation of our ability to to

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cognitively understand the universe

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around us we have a set of senses and a

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brain that are sort of hardwired to do

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some fairly primitive thing okay before

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we go there

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Alan machine Randall you're in the para

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the ultimate knife comm hi this is James

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Fox from chasing UFOs you're listening

866
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to the podcast

867
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the gold standard of paranormal radio so

868
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:17,780
has Allen Greenfield become Donald Duck

869
00:41:21,620 --> 00:41:19,650
what makes you say that

870
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:21,630
you've never lied to me tell it tell it

871
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:33,650
oh okay we are mixed there's a dog in

872
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:36,660
here I'm not referring to your wife to

873
00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:39,480
the barking so we know about the barking

874
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:41,640
sound yes that is teddy bear that's a

875
00:41:45,620 --> 00:41:43,410
little white thing that's turning his

876
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head towards me and now he's lying down

877
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:48,420
he figures he got his one minute of fame

878
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and now he can proceed we're getting too

879
00:41:56,240 --> 00:41:53,880
into the weeds but it's also getting

880
00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:56,250
into some core stuff here because I

881
00:42:02,660 --> 00:41:59,220
think that that is a legitimate question

882
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:02,670
are we seeing things or our witnessing

883
00:42:10,940 --> 00:42:06,410
thing or recipients experiencing to use

884
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:10,950
keels term that we simply can't resolve

885
00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:13,410
as they really are so we resolve them

886
00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:17,550
according to our own limited abilities

887
00:42:23,660 --> 00:42:20,700
as I point out if you take the available

888
00:42:26,780 --> 00:42:23,670
senses that we have that are honed to

889
00:42:29,290 --> 00:42:26,790
survive obviously or we wouldn't have

890
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:29,300
and we wouldn't be here talking with me

891
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:33,890
they are they are designed to reproduce

892
00:42:44,830 --> 00:42:40,320
run away kill II and pretty much nothing

893
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,840
else and for the last what 10,000 years

894
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development developing agriculture and

895
00:42:51,980 --> 00:42:49,770
so forth we've gotten more time to

896
00:42:55,180 --> 00:42:51,990
contemplate ourselves and the universe

897
00:42:59,090 --> 00:42:55,190
but the senses are in terms of

898
00:43:01,540 --> 00:42:59,100
biological time an hour you know in

899
00:43:05,420 --> 00:43:01,550
existence for an hour and in terms of

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00:43:08,270 --> 00:43:05,430
geological time a minute and in terms of

901
00:43:11,060 --> 00:43:08,280
cosmological time and now

902
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:11,070
second so how can we expect to

903
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:13,500
understand something that is truly in

904
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:16,380
the greatest sense of the word alien I

905
00:43:22,220 --> 00:43:18,930
would recommend Edwin Abbott and

906
00:43:24,110 --> 00:43:22,230
flatland to get some little notion of

907
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:24,120
what that might be like if the word

908
00:43:29,110 --> 00:43:26,760
alien is a perfect description because I

909
00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:29,120
don't necessarily like to use the word

910
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:32,870
extraterrestrial or ultra terrestrial or

911
00:43:37,310 --> 00:43:36,810
subterranean because we don't know for

912
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:37,320
sure

913
00:43:44,780 --> 00:43:41,130
where they're from or exactly what their

914
00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:44,790
nature is what they are but we do seem

915
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,500
to be able to say with reasonable

916
00:43:51,260 --> 00:43:48,560
certainty that is alien to our

917
00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:51,270
civilization it doesn't come from within

918
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:53,670
the boundaries and constructs of the

919
00:44:00,680 --> 00:43:58,260
world that we know so saying it's alien

920
00:44:04,220 --> 00:44:00,690
is pretty good way of looking at it yeah

921
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:04,230
I think that's that's precisely the type

922
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:06,570
of course that's a loaded term in the

923
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:11,010
USA in current discourse but alien is

924
00:44:15,850 --> 00:44:13,050
anybody from the great white north or

925
00:44:19,150 --> 00:44:15,860
much more so from the southern border

926
00:44:21,770 --> 00:44:19,160
the greedy

927
00:44:24,380 --> 00:44:21,780
refugees who are coming here and taking

928
00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:24,390
our jobs we don't need to go there I'm

929
00:44:28,610 --> 00:44:26,790
looking at it more of in a biological

930
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:28,620
term it actually comes from biology

931
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:30,330
where it's a reference to something that

932
00:44:35,330 --> 00:44:32,910
originates from outside the environment

933
00:44:39,020 --> 00:44:35,340
in which it's found maybe even outside

934
00:44:42,020 --> 00:44:39,030
of biology I mean that's you know you

935
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:42,030
really all bets are off as to what it is

936
00:44:49,970 --> 00:44:45,870
and only a few people who have become

937
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:49,980
prominent have even suggested that akhil

938
00:44:59,120 --> 00:44:56,280
was one gray barker wasn't unappreciated

939
00:45:02,870 --> 00:44:59,130
one he was taken as a prankster I took

940
00:45:05,630 --> 00:45:02,880
him for what he was which is he went

941
00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:05,640
into a culture that had a lot of

942
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:09,540
mythological elements in it and and he

943
00:45:15,350 --> 00:45:13,440
got it in mythological terms he have to

944
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:15,360
understand that when I say mythological

945
00:45:19,630 --> 00:45:16,650
I don't mean untrue

946
00:45:22,290 --> 00:45:19,640
I mean mythological in the sense that

947
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:22,300
the terms classical me

948
00:45:30,830 --> 00:45:27,760
of that which is numinous and and of

949
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,840
mythic proportions and that's an

950
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:33,520
entirely different thing from saying it

951
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:37,090
it's non-existent clearly there's a

952
00:45:44,670 --> 00:45:40,800
stimulus what the stimulus is maybe

953
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:44,680
literally unfathomable and you know what

954
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,450
I'm trying to say well I think I'm

955
00:45:52,170 --> 00:45:48,400
getting you there I mean what I'm saying

956
00:45:55,350 --> 00:45:52,180
is a lot of cultural front-loading and

957
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,360
in terms of the interpretation depending

958
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,240
on the level of education that people

959
00:46:03,870 --> 00:46:00,720
have and that of course corresponds with

960
00:46:06,540 --> 00:46:03,880
history and so the better educated we

961
00:46:08,940 --> 00:46:06,550
become the more likely it is that we're

962
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:08,950
going to look at it more objectively we

963
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:10,650
see a lot of that going on with

964
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:13,690
classical religion where things like

965
00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:16,090
thunder are interpreted as Thor's hammer

966
00:46:24,330 --> 00:46:18,670
but we know now that's not the case

967
00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:24,340
maybe it's not there is no Asgard only

968
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:27,400
in the movies it's it's a beautiful myth

969
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:30,610
but it is a myth that doesn't mean

970
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,850
there's no thunder so the question for

971
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:35,920
us is well if we can look at it

972
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:39,280
objectively then maybe we have a better

973
00:46:44,100 --> 00:46:41,050
chance of finding out exactly what it

974
00:46:46,290 --> 00:46:44,110
really is as opposed to what we

975
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:46,300
traditionally might have believed it was

976
00:46:51,660 --> 00:46:49,450
say transports from Hell Devils demons

977
00:46:53,850 --> 00:46:51,670
angels something like that

978
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:53,860
I think that would be only the next

979
00:47:01,050 --> 00:46:58,480
level of comprehension and probably

980
00:47:06,660 --> 00:47:01,060
there are something like I was going to

981
00:47:11,250 --> 00:47:06,670
mention the driver who saw it in terms

982
00:47:15,690 --> 00:47:11,260
of a series of masks and have coming to

983
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:15,700
the realization that we never get to the

984
00:47:22,110 --> 00:47:19,810
ultimate being we get only a series of

985
00:47:24,210 --> 00:47:22,120
masks and each one seems to be the

986
00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:24,220
revelation of the truth there's a

987
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:27,340
mystical tradition I know the one in

988
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:30,880
Judaism in in Kabul ISM which is that

989
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:32,890
one can comprehend

990
00:47:38,190 --> 00:47:36,010
a certain number of spheres or Saphira

991
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:38,200
that are gradually going up to the

992
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,330
infinite the infinite is called the Ain

993
00:47:45,030 --> 00:47:42,880
and is totally inaccessible to human

994
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:45,040
beings it's not so much that it's

995
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:49,930
subjective it's part of us and beyond us

996
00:47:57,150 --> 00:47:53,650
at the same time so names don't really

997
00:48:00,900 --> 00:47:57,160
apply but it's a useful concept to say

998
00:48:03,660 --> 00:48:00,910
that it is the aim the anus off the anus

999
00:48:07,860 --> 00:48:03,670
off our the limitless light and then

1000
00:48:11,340 --> 00:48:07,870
much more material as you would put it

1001
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:11,350
objective things and gets gradually more

1002
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,450
so and when you finally get to the

1003
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:15,280
totally objective which would be

1004
00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:17,920
Malkovich Kingdom the everyday world

1005
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:25,440
that we seem to live in is mundane and

1006
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:30,010
comprehendible to anyone who has any

1007
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:33,180
kind of handle on reality at all that

1008
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:37,050
it's in the mystical tradition to say

1009
00:48:45,870 --> 00:48:40,090
it's very very difficult to say that's

1010
00:48:49,950 --> 00:48:45,880
the whole deal it's hardly that this

1011
00:48:52,410 --> 00:48:49,960
sounds very analogous to what we may

1012
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:52,420
call alternate universes if we have

1013
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:54,370
multiple spheres maybe we're talking

1014
00:49:00,090 --> 00:48:58,090
about alternate universes and I seem to

1015
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:00,100
have run across something somewhere it

1016
00:49:03,780 --> 00:49:02,170
was on your site or in one of the

1017
00:49:05,100 --> 00:49:03,790
podcasts where that that's kind of an

1018
00:49:07,530 --> 00:49:05,110
interest or a thought of yours where

1019
00:49:09,660 --> 00:49:07,540
maybe there are other realities

1020
00:49:12,990 --> 00:49:09,670
altogether that are equally objective

1021
00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:13,000
but beyond our view and that may be what

1022
00:49:18,060 --> 00:49:14,670
we're dealing with is something that can

1023
00:49:20,730 --> 00:49:18,070
transport itself between these universes

1024
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:20,740
what do you think of that idea I think

1025
00:49:27,660 --> 00:49:24,610
that I talk about that a great deal up

1026
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:27,670
until relatively recently meaning in the

1027
00:49:33,570 --> 00:49:30,610
last 20 or so years the idea of

1028
00:49:39,380 --> 00:49:33,580
alternate realities was just that an

1029
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:45,089
quantum mechanics has been understood as

1030
00:49:53,549 --> 00:49:49,119
one of its several possibilities of its

1031
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:53,559
ultimate source is the the circle in

1032
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:57,130
brain theory that's BR ane that is that

1033
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:01,119
the universe is a series of membranes

1034
00:50:06,509 --> 00:50:05,169
that ours is just one of and there are

1035
00:50:10,289 --> 00:50:06,519
other universes

1036
00:50:12,809 --> 00:50:10,299
some say a fixed number some physicists

1037
00:50:15,959 --> 00:50:12,819
this is respectable physics this mean

1038
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:15,969
it's not universally adhere to but it is

1039
00:50:23,809 --> 00:50:20,160
one of the three or four acceptable

1040
00:50:26,459 --> 00:50:23,819
theories about the nature of reality and

1041
00:50:29,009 --> 00:50:26,469
some say there's an infinite number and

1042
00:50:31,769 --> 00:50:29,019
an infinite number implies something

1043
00:50:34,259 --> 00:50:31,779
that is also not something that we can

1044
00:50:38,099 --> 00:50:34,269
truly comprehend we can say the word but

1045
00:50:40,949 --> 00:50:38,109
it means whatever you think is out there

1046
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:40,959
is but it's not the only thing that's

1047
00:50:45,419 --> 00:50:43,089
out there because everything else is out

1048
00:50:48,269 --> 00:50:45,429
there and also there are alternate us

1049
00:50:50,219 --> 00:50:48,279
--is I mean it can really boggle the

1050
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:50,229
mind and yet there are practical

1051
00:50:57,149 --> 00:50:53,650
applications of quantum reality that's I

1052
00:51:00,439 --> 00:50:57,159
think the next impact on regular people

1053
00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:00,449
so to speak is quantum computing which

1054
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:03,849
is so much faster and more efficient

1055
00:51:11,009 --> 00:51:06,880
than the stuff that it probably has a

1056
00:51:13,769 --> 00:51:11,019
really really good sound control that's

1057
00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:13,779
the sound control that's easy to use I'm

1058
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:15,849
gonna break it stop guys

1059
00:51:20,789 --> 00:51:18,130
it has a sound control that actually

1060
00:51:31,340 --> 00:51:20,799
works more to come with Alan and Jean

1061
00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:39,579
[Music]

1062
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:42,100
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attack of the rock AIDS has been

1066
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1068
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you'll never forget a former US military

1069
00:52:00,850 --> 00:51:58,580
intelligence officer is haunted by

1070
00:52:03,490 --> 00:52:00,860
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1071
00:52:06,250 --> 00:52:03,500
pleading for his help after a terrible

1072
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battle in outer space but the dreams

1073
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turn out to be true and thrust him into

1074
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:10,340
a telepathic love affair with a woman

1075
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:13,040
whose faraway planet is intent on

1076
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destroying the earth and now the

1077
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gripping tale continues in the coming of

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the protectors it's the second book of

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the raccoons trilogy a galaxy spanning

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adventure that pits our hapless heroes

1081
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against powerful fanatical enemies that

1082
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:30,380
threaten the lives of freedom loving

1083
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beings everywhere

1084
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attack of the rock aids and the coming

1085
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's Jane Steinberg Alan is getting

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beside himself in fact because of the

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alternate realities there are two Alan's

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now but think of it here we have Alan in

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earth one we have Alan in earth - we

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have Alan in earth 38 and we wonder how

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different are these Alan's the question

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of the ages how in Greenfield

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how different are the other Alan's do

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they all look the same I mean if the

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Alan from Earth 73 walked in tomorrow

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right here what I think he's you well it

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would look like me probably but he would

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probably be very different and you would

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be one of the first to spot it because

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you've known me a very very very very

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very very long time and at each stage of

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decision like each one of my marriages

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that's a considerable number of

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universes itself yeah but how many

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people out there have been married 36

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times well some are simultaneously

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married 36 times right now in Saudi

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Arabia my my friends in the Arabian

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Peninsula it's it's it's the gospel

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there so to speak the wrong term to use

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but what the hey they're over there and

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I'm in the Jewish Tower at the moment

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also known to me as the lightning struck

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Tower that's a terror reference people

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Tarot its cards it's not really cards

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but it's hieroglyphs there would be if

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you follow one version of M brain theory

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it's also called the many-worlds

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interpretation of quantum mechanics in

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physics circles and I publish a lot of

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stuff on that on my facebook page I

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really use Facebook not as a as a friend

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thing but as a blogging thing I mean I

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have a number of friends who are

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actually on my friends page but

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nevertheless most of the people I mean I

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have several

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and they're not so much friends as

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readers and I provide interesting

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material everyday to them at no cost to

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00:56:24,670 --> 00:56:22,280
them and they can freely comment as I

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say I give as good as right you know

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yeah somebody can as long as they don't

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get racist or sexist or abusive beyond

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the terms of use of the Zuckerberg

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Empire because I don't want my page to

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get pulled down let's hang this back to

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the many-worlds interpretation because

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it I think that one world is the world

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of the cloud and I'm talking about it

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but I'm talking about it on a practical

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level an objective level and you're not

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getting it you want to get away from the

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objective and back to the many-worlds

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interpretation of quantum mechanics and

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I'm telling you if there are many worlds

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there may be an infinite number of

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worlds if there's an infinite number

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anything that you can imagine or even

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things that you can't by definition are

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true somewhere out there not necessarily

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I mean I think we have to be careful

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about getting into what the skeptics

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might call the field of quantum whoo

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here where we just take a mystical

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approach to looking at quantum physics

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and interpret in our own self-serving

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way so as to be able to justify belief

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in things that are basically nonsense

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00:57:44,020 --> 00:57:41,480
that's a real danger because understand

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00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:44,030
what quantum physics is or where it even

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began or why it's even called quantum

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physics to begin with well that's true

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but for every person who is willing to

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go way out on a limb as I'm perfectly

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willing to do and say this this is

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probably the implication of it there are

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people who have a vested interest and

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bringing it too far down to earth and

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the internet is full of people every

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subject you can name that is in any

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sense off there are debunkers there are

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debunker sites and some of these people

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are professionals

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I know some of them and they simply

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cannot go beyond whatever the current

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scientific norm is but that changes all

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the time the implications of quantum

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mechanics are are profoundly disturbing

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and that isn't a quote from me that's I

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think Niels Bohr a perfectly respectable

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and sure no question about that but I'm

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in pretty much every mainstream

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00:58:57,260 --> 00:58:54,930
scientific article that I've read on the

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many-worlds interpretation that the

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00:59:02,540 --> 00:58:59,640
physicists will readily admit that the

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math works out fine but that in reality

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we may not be dealing with that much of

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a possibility you know what I wanted to

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bring something out here if we have

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multiple versions of gene Steinberg and

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Alain Greenfield and J Randall Murphy is

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there a version of Philip Glass that

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believed a UFO somewhere you know like

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right earth 69 Philip Glass yes but

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there's also an amazing Randi who who is

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an absolute believer and who is I saw

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that Randi in this world briefly in the

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1960s and then he reverted to type

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there's some people that just won't

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believe anything in fact a bunch of

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hippie physicists saved physics from

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becoming just a and yet another Dogma in

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00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:54,000
the 1960s and it was the the quantum the

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implications of quantum mechanics that

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worthy was the means by which they were

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able to open up the world of physics

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01:00:07,700 --> 01:00:04,320
look I've seen fundamentals and science

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01:00:10,070 --> 01:00:07,710
go from superstition to orthodoxy in my

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01:00:12,380 --> 01:00:10,080
lifetime and I'm not that old

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01:00:15,110 --> 01:00:12,390
oh absolutely it wasn't that long ago

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01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:15,120
that I was watching actually on the

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01:00:20,050 --> 01:00:16,920
YouTube speaking of the computer it was

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01:00:22,220 --> 01:00:20,060
Neil deGrasse Tyson with the panel of

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01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:22,230
philosophers and scientists talking

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01:00:27,110 --> 01:00:24,900
about the possibility of alternate

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01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:27,120
universes and they were taking it very

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01:00:32,510 --> 01:00:29,730
very seriously but not so much from the

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01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:32,520
view of quantum physics this is another

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01:00:36,349 --> 01:00:34,410
approach where it could be possible and

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01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:36,359
from information technology

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from computing by saying that it is

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01:00:44,420 --> 01:00:41,940
possible that we live in some sort of

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virtual construct they are taking this

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very very seriously so we don't have to

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deal with all of the complexities of

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01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:50,910
quantum mechanics to get the analogy

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that our universe might be like universe

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one in particular folder in a tree of

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multiple other folders and that perhaps

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there are lines of communication back

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and forth between them that might allow

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something from one universe to slip into

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another cut-and-paste

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so to speak yeah well you know I think

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people tend to project it on to their

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own discipline but the notion is reduces

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down to the same thing that there's more

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to reality than what we can see and

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there are some screwy versions of that

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too the matrix theory it's impossible to

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argue it it's also impossible to falsify

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which is we're not living in a real

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world we're living in a simulation and

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you will find all kinds of sites on the

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internet by the way I don't believe this

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one I find it profoundly wrong but it

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would equally well explain the strange

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phenomena that I'm interested in I was

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01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:48,150
reading one account today of a man who

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saw a little gray man this was 100 years

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01:01:56,509 --> 01:01:54,359
ago so it was you know you can argue it

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01:02:00,620 --> 01:01:56,519
was a gray alien but this being was

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entirely grey no face no just a like

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01:02:06,499 --> 01:02:03,960
claymation really and he was walked past

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01:02:09,470 --> 01:02:06,509
this man for several minutes wide awake

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01:02:12,289 --> 01:02:09,480
middle of the day and didn't show any

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01:02:14,089 --> 01:02:12,299
interest in the man but the interesting

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01:02:16,489 --> 01:02:14,099
thing is without saying anything to his

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neighbor his neighbor also saw this man

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01:02:22,339 --> 01:02:18,720
when he passed his house and they

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disappeared the second guy saw the being

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01:02:29,509 --> 01:02:26,279
disappear this was in a book by Anna Lee

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01:02:31,940 --> 01:02:29,519
Yaffe Young's associate called

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01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:31,950
apparitions which I read an early

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01:02:36,289 --> 01:02:34,170
version of in the early 1960s and I'm

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01:02:38,269 --> 01:02:36,299
rereading now because I can't afford any

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books at the moment but it's a very

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01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:40,109
interesting case and I thought first

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01:02:43,849 --> 01:02:41,849
thing that comes to mind is that's

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01:02:46,249 --> 01:02:43,859
another universe bleeding over briefly

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01:02:49,090 --> 01:02:46,259
in two hours you know you can explain it

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01:02:52,540 --> 01:02:49,100
in terms of quote apparitions or

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or mystical experience or you can say we

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01:02:59,950 --> 01:02:56,990
are in a razor-thin relationship with

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other realities and they can manifest

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and whether they at they come out of you

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know whether you come from computer

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technology or come from quantum physics

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by the way I don't think the core of

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quantum physics is that hard to

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understand there the the basic

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experiments that show quantum physics

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can be done in a high school lab and is

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all the time it's you know that so

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that's it's not that that difficult it's

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just that the implications become

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mind-boggling and the math is very

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challenging we have a challenge with

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Allen and gene and Randall you're in the

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it's not on earth 73 it's on this one

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whatever number this is we have Allen

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Greenfield we have Jay Randall Murphy as

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our guest co-host on gene Steinberg

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01:09:09,490 --> 01:09:05,529
we're exploring other realities UFOs and

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01:09:13,930 --> 01:09:09,500
heaven knows what great myth little gray

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01:09:15,789 --> 01:09:13,940
men in the 1800's in Switzerland where

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01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:15,799
it all come I think this is really

1461
01:09:20,410 --> 01:09:18,770
fascinating actually and I'm really glad

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01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:20,420
we can get you on the show today just

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01:09:25,660 --> 01:09:23,330
for you to be able to express your

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01:09:27,130 --> 01:09:25,670
particular views without a not that I

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01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:27,140
minded our other guests

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01:09:32,620 --> 01:09:29,450
but it's really great to be able to hear

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01:09:36,010 --> 01:09:32,630
you express them more fully yourself why

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01:09:38,220 --> 01:09:36,020
is it that you are resistant to the idea

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01:09:40,810 --> 01:09:38,230
of the computational constructor vr

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01:09:43,660 --> 01:09:40,820
reality what bothers you about it

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01:09:45,970 --> 01:09:43,670
nothing bothers me about it in the in

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01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:45,980
the broader sense it's just that if

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01:09:51,820 --> 01:09:49,250
there is truth to that then you can

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01:09:54,820 --> 01:09:51,830
easily slide over into the notion that

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01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:54,830
we're living in an ersatz universe and I

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01:10:01,440 --> 01:09:57,530
think it's it philosophically important

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01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:01,450
since we have real day-to-day situations

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01:10:07,210 --> 01:10:05,210
not to go off into a pie in the sky sort

1479
01:10:10,690 --> 01:10:07,220
of thing that it's useless for us to

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01:10:12,340 --> 01:10:10,700
accomplish anything because everything

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01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:12,350
that we're doing is just a simulation

1482
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:16,730
well no it is I mean it may be but it's

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01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:19,730
a real simulation people really are

1484
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:23,090
dying in Syria okay yeah that doesn't

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01:10:27,340 --> 01:10:25,730
make our existence any less relevant is

1486
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:27,350
what you're saying and I would have to

1487
01:10:32,230 --> 01:10:29,690
agree with you it's an easy slide in

1488
01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:32,240
that particular configuration but I'm

1489
01:10:37,690 --> 01:10:34,910
not opposed to it I just the the old

1490
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:37,700
thing about religion being the opiate of

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01:10:43,390 --> 01:10:40,880
the people well science is the opiate of

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01:10:45,250 --> 01:10:43,400
the scientists and technology is the

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01:10:48,220 --> 01:10:45,260
opiate of practically everybody in the

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01:10:50,620 --> 01:10:48,230
world now who's who's wired and that can

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01:10:54,540 --> 01:10:50,630
be dehumanizing and I worry about things

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01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:54,550
that are technological solutions to

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01:11:00,910 --> 01:10:57,890
numinous problems I prefer those that

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01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:00,920
retain some of their new Manasa tea even

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01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:03,290
when you investigate them that it's

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there's always something beyond the

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horizon because that in turn allows for

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01:11:16,450 --> 01:11:12,350
idealism and what Western civilization

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01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:16,460
most needs right now we're completely

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01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:18,710
backwards on that particular view then

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01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:21,290
well we used to have it but it was it

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01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:23,210
was in a form that would not be

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01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:26,930
acceptable now and in fact several books

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01:11:32,230 --> 01:11:29,600
of pointing out well the the East had

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01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:32,240
Marx and the West had Jesus and now the

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01:11:39,100 --> 01:11:36,560
entire entirety of euro American

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01:11:40,690 --> 01:11:39,110
civilization has neither but nothing has

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01:11:43,420 --> 01:11:40,700
really replaced it so we

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01:11:45,130 --> 01:11:43,430
really live in a nihilistic time so we

1514
01:11:48,580 --> 01:11:45,140
wring our hands about the latest

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01:11:52,330 --> 01:11:48,590
Holocaust if I may use the term broadly

1516
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:52,340
but like the original that for which the

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01:11:58,240 --> 01:11:55,610
name was applied we do really nothing

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01:12:00,370 --> 01:11:58,250
about it and there may be limitations on

1519
01:12:03,340 --> 01:12:00,380
what we can do but we can feed the

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01:12:05,530 --> 01:12:03,350
hungry we can we can bind up wounds we

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01:12:08,050 --> 01:12:05,540
can make an effort to move towards a

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01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:08,060
more peaceful society we can Dinu clear

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01:12:12,970 --> 01:12:10,970
eyes if we we just aren't there anymore

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01:12:15,250 --> 01:12:12,980
work too busy on our phones playing

1525
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:15,260
games we can use the same argument

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01:12:21,190 --> 01:12:19,130
though for the numinous side because

1527
01:12:23,590 --> 01:12:21,200
well here's a really good example I

1528
01:12:26,230 --> 01:12:23,600
watched a movie recently with Robert

1529
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:26,240
Redford called the discovery where this

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01:12:31,090 --> 01:12:29,360
is fiction but it portrays a situation

1531
01:12:34,060 --> 01:12:31,100
where he scientifically proves there's

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01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:34,070
an afterlife and what this does is it

1533
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:35,930
creates the same sort of apathy in

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01:12:40,990 --> 01:12:37,970
people where they believe that this life

1535
01:12:43,660 --> 01:12:41,000
has less worth than the afterlife ends

1536
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:43,670
the suicide rate goes way up and he has

1537
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:46,730
to deal with this moral question should

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01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:49,520
people know there really is an afterlife

1539
01:12:55,150 --> 01:12:52,610
if it could be proven so I look at it

1540
01:12:58,360 --> 01:12:55,160
okay well if we did know where we are if

1541
01:13:00,190 --> 01:12:58,370
it is a virtual construct then we ought

1542
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:00,200
to know because then we can figure out a

1543
01:13:07,150 --> 01:13:04,250
way to make use of it well yeah that's

1544
01:13:09,490 --> 01:13:07,160
it that's an interesting notion but if

1545
01:13:12,730 --> 01:13:09,500
we can judge by the advances in

1546
01:13:14,980 --> 01:13:12,740
technology most of which came out of the

1547
01:13:17,710 --> 01:13:14,990
exploration of space and the necessity

1548
01:13:20,410 --> 01:13:17,720
of reducing the size of a lot of things

1549
01:13:21,970 --> 01:13:20,420
in order to be able to give actually get

1550
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:21,980
from the earth to the moon and let alone

1551
01:13:26,530 --> 01:13:24,770
anywhere more remove than that and we're

1552
01:13:30,220 --> 01:13:26,540
reaping benefits from that but they're

1553
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:30,230
all techie benefits they're all so to

1554
01:13:35,490 --> 01:13:33,170
speak earthbound of course everybody

1555
01:13:38,740 --> 01:13:35,500
knows that there's pie in the sky

1556
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:38,750
spirituality that numbs society to there

1557
01:13:45,460 --> 01:13:41,920
is a happy medium I do think however

1558
01:13:48,610 --> 01:13:45,470
that people can be inspired more by

1559
01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:48,620
things that that have that that

1560
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:49,490
numerosity

1561
01:13:54,669 --> 01:13:52,130
I'm keep coming back to that term rather

1562
01:13:57,429 --> 01:13:54,679
than trying to figure out

1563
01:13:59,949 --> 01:13:57,439
technical system when really we're

1564
01:14:02,109 --> 01:13:59,959
drowning in technology now I'm not

1565
01:14:04,060 --> 01:14:02,119
saying there aren't a lot of good

1566
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:04,070
elements in technology we're using one

1567
01:14:08,709 --> 01:14:05,920
of them right now that would have been

1568
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:08,719
totally impractical Jean and I go back

1569
01:14:14,049 --> 01:14:11,570
to tapes fondants and writing real

1570
01:14:16,660 --> 01:14:14,059
letters and you could argue that perhaps

1571
01:14:18,819 --> 01:14:16,670
something is lost there but fact is

1572
01:14:21,129 --> 01:14:18,829
we're using a miracle for all intents

1573
01:14:24,339 --> 01:14:21,139
and purposes I'm a scientific miracle

1574
01:14:28,149 --> 01:14:24,349
and it's technology that came out of

1575
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:28,159
NASA having to reduce the size of these

1576
01:14:33,219 --> 01:14:31,280
huge mainframe computers to an on-board

1577
01:14:35,949 --> 01:14:33,229
computer so you could figure out how the

1578
01:14:38,709 --> 01:14:35,959
hell to get to the moon and back once it

1579
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:38,719
exists it tends to become less expensive

1580
01:14:43,149 --> 01:14:40,880
and also something that's accessible to

1581
01:14:46,929 --> 01:14:43,159
ordinary people but it also becomes

1582
01:14:49,089 --> 01:14:46,939
something that becomes an opiate I don't

1583
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:49,099
think we need to be numb I think we need

1584
01:14:54,250 --> 01:14:52,610
to be sensitized if we're not sooner or

1585
01:14:57,759 --> 01:14:54,260
later something is going to come along

1586
01:14:59,020 --> 01:14:57,769
perhaps global warming then slap us in

1587
01:15:01,179 --> 01:14:59,030
the Kazaa sir

1588
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:01,189
well it doesn't truth matter in there

1589
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:03,650
somewhere I mean I look at it is like I

1590
01:15:06,609 --> 01:15:05,090
don't think we need to be either I don't

1591
01:15:09,669 --> 01:15:06,619
think we need to be placated or

1592
01:15:11,770 --> 01:15:09,679
reassured I think that that what we need

1593
01:15:14,469 --> 01:15:11,780
is to determine what the real situation

1594
01:15:17,259 --> 01:15:14,479
is it's not as important is that if we

1595
01:15:19,890 --> 01:15:17,269
haven't looked at it from any spiritual

1596
01:15:23,319 --> 01:15:19,900
sense as it is to know what it really is

1597
01:15:26,979 --> 01:15:23,329
from my perspective for people that are

1598
01:15:30,399 --> 01:15:26,989
are fact freaks as Jim Mosely put

1599
01:15:34,270 --> 01:15:30,409
himself never read any fiction because

1600
01:15:37,209 --> 01:15:34,280
he was fact free self described that

1601
01:15:41,319 --> 01:15:37,219
probably is the proper quest and I don't

1602
01:15:45,359 --> 01:15:41,329
nee say that because I imagined Jonas

1603
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:45,369
Salk was a fact freak I imagined that

1604
01:15:51,219 --> 01:15:48,610
well Einstein was more of a dreamer but

1605
01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:51,229
he just happened to dream dreams that

1606
01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:54,320
had practical applications but well

1607
01:16:00,399 --> 01:15:57,650
Edison was a fact freak and never slept

1608
01:16:02,609 --> 01:16:00,409
I mean and perhaps you're in that

1609
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:02,619
category but I suspect you're not I

1610
01:16:08,410 --> 01:16:05,449
suspect that you're looking whether you

1611
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:08,420
I'm not trying to psychobabble you but I

1612
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:11,210
think nobody gets into ufology that

1613
01:16:15,550 --> 01:16:12,730
isn't looking for something that

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are listening to the podcast the gold

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gee whiz we have Allen Greenfield and

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he's going to proceed to regale us with

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01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:21,540
something I'm gonna read you with one

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anecdote and it doesn't make me look

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particularly good but it does show I

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think and maybe where the head is as

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well charming thing about human beings

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is their ability to go gosh wow I think

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I was in Brooksville Florida in the late

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60s early 70s and I made one of my many

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01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:44,550
trips to the area which was very very

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01:21:49,610 --> 01:21:47,610
UFO active and continues to be a place

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01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:49,620
that has a disproportionate number of

1740
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:52,530
UFO related phenomena and close

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01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:54,330
encounter type things and I was there

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01:21:59,570 --> 01:21:57,210
with the late Joan writer and her

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01:22:02,330 --> 01:21:59,580
then-husband Ron right there who was a

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01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:02,340
photographer and we were interviewing

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01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:05,370
primary and secondary witnesses and on

1746
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our way back to st. Petersburg where

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01:22:12,890 --> 01:22:10,500
they live we stopped because we saw

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01:22:16,910 --> 01:22:12,900
something peculiar in the sky ourselves

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01:22:19,930 --> 01:22:16,920
and I had at that point I had been in

1750
01:22:26,300 --> 01:22:19,940
ufology and deeply enmeshed in the

1751
01:22:28,850 --> 01:22:26,310
standard UFO lore for maybe 10 years but

1752
01:22:31,670 --> 01:22:28,860
I got out of the car and I looked at

1753
01:22:35,330 --> 01:22:31,680
this thing in the sky ron was snapping

1754
01:22:40,010 --> 01:22:35,340
pictures and here is my analysis of the

1755
01:22:43,220 --> 01:22:40,020
entire thing at the time I said oh gosh

1756
01:22:45,680 --> 01:22:43,230
look at that look at that thing look at

1757
01:22:48,650 --> 01:22:45,690
that I don't believe that I was reduced

1758
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:48,660
I didn't wet my pants but I did

1759
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:51,360
everything everything but I was totally

1760
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:53,760
reduced by the awe of the experience

1761
01:22:58,580 --> 01:22:56,010
turned out to be perfectly if you want

1762
01:23:00,440 --> 01:22:58,590
to call it natural thing it was a launch

1763
01:23:02,690 --> 01:23:00,450
from the Cape that you could see from

1764
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:02,700
across the state because reach of

1765
01:23:07,850 --> 01:23:06,210
certain altitude and burning a lot of

1766
01:23:10,370 --> 01:23:07,860
liquid oxygen or whatever they were

1767
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:10,380
burning you can see it and we saw a

1768
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:16,010
stage separate but it looked like a a

1769
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:19,920
large cylindrical object that split

1770
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:24,050
apart into two and one of them landed

1771
01:23:28,700 --> 01:23:26,400
translation there was a separation

1772
01:23:31,670 --> 01:23:28,710
between first stage in the second stage

1773
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:31,680
of what was a military test but the

1774
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:34,530
feeling involved was perfectly genuine I

1775
01:23:43,220 --> 01:23:38,850
was not so much interested in what it

1776
01:23:47,090 --> 01:23:43,230
was as what it was doing to us ron was

1777
01:23:51,020 --> 01:23:47,100
taking pictures I was experiencing it

1778
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:51,030
and I've had a few paranormal

1779
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:54,960
experiences but this was as dramatic as

1780
01:23:59,210 --> 01:23:56,880
it gets and the fact that it turned out

1781
01:24:01,700 --> 01:23:59,220
to be a what would you call it natural

1782
01:24:06,100 --> 01:24:01,710
phenomena doesn't seem to fit it exactly

1783
01:24:08,740 --> 01:24:06,110
a command made a conventional object a

1784
01:24:11,780 --> 01:24:08,750
remarkable one but a conventional one

1785
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:11,790
did not diminish the feeling I mean I

1786
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:15,050
can still go back to that feeling so I

1787
01:24:21,770 --> 01:24:19,650
it may be for you that what you need is

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01:24:24,770 --> 01:24:21,780
something that gives you a floor under

1789
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:24,780
your feet on these things that is that

1790
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:27,690
you actually understand it but I think

1791
01:24:32,810 --> 01:24:30,930
that's that's a mirage I think you don't

1792
01:24:35,420 --> 01:24:32,820
ever get there and then it's the other

1793
01:24:37,460 --> 01:24:35,430
way around I think people who don't use

1794
01:24:40,010 --> 01:24:37,470
critical thinking and just assume it's

1795
01:24:42,410 --> 01:24:40,020
something mystical rather than what it

1796
01:24:44,570 --> 01:24:42,420
really is they're seeing the Mirage now

1797
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:44,580
are you saying that after 50 years in

1798
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:47,760
ufology and three degrees in comparative

1799
01:24:52,820 --> 01:24:50,730
religion that I haven't considered all

1800
01:24:55,480 --> 01:24:52,830
of those things and simply discounted

1801
01:24:58,850 --> 01:24:55,490
them on perfectly rational grounds

1802
01:25:01,430 --> 01:24:58,860
because you're I just don't see how if

1803
01:25:04,570 --> 01:25:01,440
you can explain how that's fine how is

1804
01:25:07,550 --> 01:25:04,580
it that you go from having a

1805
01:25:10,130 --> 01:25:07,560
misinterpretation of a man-made event to

1806
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:10,140
be something that isn't more of a mirage

1807
01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:12,560
than actually knowing what it really is

1808
01:25:19,010 --> 01:25:15,420
that's confusing me well maybe because

1809
01:25:19,959 --> 01:25:19,020
you have not had such an experience oh I

1810
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:19,969
I do

1811
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:22,489
but I know what they are I can recognize

1812
01:25:28,509 --> 01:25:25,610
them both in fact when I see an airliner

1813
01:25:30,549 --> 01:25:28,519
flyover I see thousands of tons of metal

1814
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:30,559
and plastic carrying hundreds of people

1815
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:32,690
across oceans and I you're missing the

1816
01:25:38,890 --> 01:25:36,530
ostrich at the time you have to not know

1817
01:25:42,759 --> 01:25:38,900
what it is and you have to go through

1818
01:25:46,089 --> 01:25:42,769
this translation device that the mind

1819
01:25:49,890 --> 01:25:46,099
does to try to make some kind of sense

1820
01:25:51,370 --> 01:25:49,900
of it and failing that to let go to be

1821
01:25:53,529 --> 01:25:51,380
okay with it

1822
01:25:56,649 --> 01:25:53,539
I didn't arrive at this because I

1823
01:25:59,169 --> 01:25:56,659
started out the gene can bear me out of

1824
01:26:02,080 --> 01:25:59,179
this I was he was a nuts-and-bolts

1825
01:26:03,700 --> 01:26:02,090
ufologist for some considerable number

1826
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:03,710
of years I started out with the Mars

1827
01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:05,690
theory which was tenable in the early

1828
01:26:13,419 --> 01:26:10,249
1960s and it moved to must be from a

1829
01:26:16,359 --> 01:26:13,429
nearby star too but somewhere along the

1830
01:26:20,399 --> 01:26:16,369
line specifically dealing with the UFO

1831
01:26:24,819 --> 01:26:20,409
phenomena I decided well it seems like

1832
01:26:28,500 --> 01:26:24,829
everyone is is built into this dichotomy

1833
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:28,510
between natural phenomena versus

1834
01:26:34,930 --> 01:26:31,210
spaceships from some other planet and

1835
01:26:38,620 --> 01:26:34,940
that isn't isn't resolving if that were

1836
01:26:42,729 --> 01:26:38,630
true then by now we would have caught

1837
01:26:44,529 --> 01:26:42,739
one we would have proof but proof has

1838
01:26:46,359 --> 01:26:44,539
been ever elusive and people who've

1839
01:26:48,390 --> 01:26:46,369
continued to follow that theory wound up

1840
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:48,400
being disillusioned eventually because

1841
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:51,440
to quote gene do plenty a it's like a

1842
01:26:57,939 --> 01:26:55,010
long walk down an endless tube and I

1843
01:27:01,600 --> 01:26:57,949
started to look into other theoretical

1844
01:27:04,290 --> 01:27:01,610
constructs and because of other areas of

1845
01:27:06,279 --> 01:27:04,300
my life I became aware that of its

1846
01:27:08,410 --> 01:27:06,289
correspondence and I'm not the only one

1847
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:08,420
I mean valais who as a scientific

1848
01:27:13,419 --> 01:27:11,090
background although he will say you know

1849
01:27:15,819 --> 01:27:13,429
I put my science aside when I go into

1850
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:15,829
this stuff began to see that this had

1851
01:27:23,709 --> 01:27:19,760
similarities to religious phenomena to

1852
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:23,719
folkloric phenomena to belt hills and

1853
01:27:32,379 --> 01:27:28,960
fairy lore and in the entire matrix of

1854
01:27:33,850 --> 01:27:32,389
the unknown yeah he was saying he'd be

1855
01:27:35,859 --> 01:27:33,860
incredibly disappointed

1856
01:27:38,740 --> 01:27:35,869
it turned out to be just spaceships I

1857
01:27:40,359 --> 01:27:38,750
believe to paraphrase I think it's a

1858
01:27:43,090 --> 01:27:40,369
matter of disappointment I think it's a

1859
01:27:47,020 --> 01:27:43,100
matter of that's the point that he

1860
01:27:50,620 --> 01:27:47,030
arrived at his first book which I saw in

1861
01:27:53,290 --> 01:27:50,630
galleys was very conventional it was the

1862
01:27:55,899 --> 01:27:53,300
conventional ufology of a scientist

1863
01:27:59,530 --> 01:27:55,909
living in Chicago and interacting with

1864
01:28:03,250 --> 01:27:59,540
the the air force contract scientists a1

1865
01:28:06,729 --> 01:28:03,260
J Allen Hynek and I think it was called

1866
01:28:10,629 --> 01:28:06,739
anatomy of a phenomena and but he got I

1867
01:28:12,399 --> 01:28:10,639
almost said got religion but I'm not

1868
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:12,409
using the term I suspect as you're

1869
01:28:15,939 --> 01:28:13,489
hearing it

1870
01:28:18,129 --> 01:28:15,949
he had a come-to-jesus moment do you

1871
01:28:21,609 --> 01:28:18,139
understand the terminology yeah yeah he

1872
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:21,619
wrote dimensions and began to think the

1873
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:23,600
answer lies somewhere outside the box of

1874
01:28:28,300 --> 01:28:26,330
thinking that had been prevalent and up

1875
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:28,310
to that point

1876
01:28:33,129 --> 01:28:30,770
where I'm coming from I think you have

1877
01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:33,139
to be outside the box because the box

1878
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has shown nothing in 70 years and if you

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haven't proceeded beyond phase one in

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that route you can either get out of the

1881
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field or continue to do the same thing

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over and over in which case you're

1883
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rediscovering the wheel over and over

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and over and over or you can try to find

1885
01:29:00,280 --> 01:28:57,980
some alternative idea that is viable

1886
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whether it's comfortable or not is

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irrelevant or you can call yourself move

1888
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on well well said I mean you can you can

1889
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they're the last major group that is

1890
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playing that game but they get nowhere

1891
01:29:22,419 --> 01:29:19,429
knock have got nowhere except got you

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out of their office and the rest of us

1893
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followed suit right well of course that

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took a shaking finger a pro got nowhere

1895
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I didn't care about the finger I told I

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told all may he rest in pieces I told

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him that well if you're throwing gene

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out he's here with us we'll have to

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leave too at that time I was well

1900
01:29:47,300 --> 01:29:45,380
thought of in my cap but that was the

1901
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end of my thinking well of

1902
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dickie hall or his thinking well of me I

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mean we had a I did not renew my

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membership after that that's what I love

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about you guys is you were there during

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the Golden Age in the early early modern

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era and I did a a brief on call and I

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01:30:09,050 --> 01:30:06,120
really respect him as a researcher and

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someone who put together the information

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for the Condon report and he says

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himself that he was getting paid at one

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time to actually work 4-9 kept being

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paid to do UFO as I mean it's like a

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dream come true for in we're gonna bring

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some more dreams and we're gonna make

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them come true but first Alan and Jean

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and Randall you're in the para cast

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there is the coming of the protectors a

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contacted by a space woman in a dream a

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dream that turns out to be a nightmare

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because evil forces on our distant

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planet are planning to conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock codes

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more and rocco is calm that's rock

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lied to generation after generation time

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you at one Wacom one Wacom if you heard

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the warning from the dead doctors don't

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lie guy I'm talking about dr. Joel

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Wallach he says if you have a four inch

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medical chart if you take prescription

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drugs for high cholesterol or high blood

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pressure arthritis joint pains or other

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health issues the medical profession is

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failing you they're using you for an ATM

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machine that's what he says he has the

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free lecture revealing what

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pharmaceutical companies don't want you

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different diseases naturally and it's

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you ready 855 seven nine young dr. Joel

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Wallach the dead doctors don't lie guy

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says there's no reason why we shouldn't

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live to be at least a hundred and have a

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just to bring things up to date probably

2009
01:35:14,590 --> 01:35:12,350
10 years later I met Richard Hall in

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01:35:18,490 --> 01:35:14,600
Fort Smith Arkansas where they had a UFO

2011
01:35:20,890 --> 01:35:18,500
convention and we drove there with my

2012
01:35:22,750 --> 01:35:20,900
old friend Curt southerly who's been on

2013
01:35:27,250 --> 01:35:22,760
the power cast a couple of times over

2014
01:35:30,780 --> 01:35:27,260
the years and we just shook hands and we

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01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:30,790
talked and we let bygones be bygones

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01:35:37,300 --> 01:35:33,410
because he realized he overreacted and

2017
01:35:39,490 --> 01:35:37,310
that was it he lost several people one

2018
01:35:41,980 --> 01:35:39,500
of the qualities that I am not

2019
01:35:45,070 --> 01:35:41,990
particularly fond of in myself but it's

2020
01:35:46,900 --> 01:35:45,080
it's real fundamental to me as I do hold

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01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:46,910
grudges and I thought that that was

2022
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:49,760
awful I thought that you were a fellow

2023
01:35:57,070 --> 01:35:53,810
ufologist and Kehoe had been very nice

2024
01:35:59,650 --> 01:35:57,080
to us the day before and he was dreadful

2025
01:36:01,480 --> 01:35:59,660
and we should have picketed it you were

2026
01:36:06,670 --> 01:36:01,490
there with Gene when this went down here

2027
01:36:09,580 --> 01:36:06,680
say me and a friend of jeans who Marty

2028
01:36:11,470 --> 01:36:09,590
Salkin who was in the peace movement so

2029
01:36:13,450 --> 01:36:11,480
we got the idea of picketing not yet yes

2030
01:36:17,860 --> 01:36:13,460
I was there we were all staying at a

2031
01:36:19,780 --> 01:36:17,870
hotel that I later found out since Marty

2032
01:36:21,070 --> 01:36:19,790
and I were stopped by the cops at 6

2033
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:21,080
o'clock in the morning wandering around

2034
01:36:25,210 --> 01:36:22,970
Washington say what are you doing here

2035
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:25,220
Dupont Circle in Connecticut Avenue

2036
01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:27,170
which is by the way also where a Klaatu

2037
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:29,210
got shot interestingly enough but

2038
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:32,330
apparently it was a gay pickup spot back

2039
01:36:36,890 --> 01:36:35,330
in the days when when that was socially

2040
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:36,900
unacceptable at

2041
01:36:41,180 --> 01:36:38,250
guys walking around at 6:00 in the

2042
01:36:43,490 --> 01:36:41,190
morning got us stopped and we put people

2043
01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:43,500
in jail here in DC for that and I said

2044
01:36:49,790 --> 01:36:46,170
well yeah we don't have any jaywalking

2045
01:36:52,010 --> 01:36:49,800
laws which is true and we got off with a

2046
01:36:54,979 --> 01:36:52,020
warning and it was only later that I

2047
01:36:59,390 --> 01:36:54,989
found that out I called Ray Palmer we

2048
01:37:01,000 --> 01:36:59,400
called dr. Hynek and in shock delay so

2049
01:37:04,580 --> 01:37:01,010
as a result of being kicked out of

2050
01:37:07,250 --> 01:37:04,590
Richard Hall's office we were able to

2051
01:37:10,130 --> 01:37:07,260
parlay that into a later meeting in

2052
01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:10,140
Chicago with those folks and that was

2053
01:37:15,260 --> 01:37:13,290
all very interesting and important I

2054
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:15,270
think Palmer wrote an article in his

2055
01:37:21,709 --> 01:37:18,170
magazine flying saucers called no

2056
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:21,719
investigations can actually proceed of

2057
01:37:28,630 --> 01:37:23,570
course having a nightcap

2058
01:37:31,340 --> 01:37:28,640
he also thought I was a governmental

2059
01:37:33,020 --> 01:37:31,350
front organization I have some reason to

2060
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:33,030
believe that that was the case because

2061
01:37:38,419 --> 01:37:35,130
at the time I thought it was a

2062
01:37:41,300 --> 01:37:38,429
ridiculous accusation but in later years

2063
01:37:44,419 --> 01:37:41,310
I talked to do a fournaye who had been

2064
01:37:48,229 --> 01:37:44,429
the Pentagon monitor in the early days

2065
01:37:53,419 --> 01:37:48,239
of Project Blue Book I think or project

2066
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:53,429
garage even and he said yeah the 1953

2067
01:38:00,290 --> 01:37:56,489
CIA panel thought that the private UFO

2068
01:38:02,510 --> 01:38:00,300
groups were infiltrated by communists

2069
01:38:06,530 --> 01:38:02,520
who were going to I mean in the turn in

2070
01:38:09,110 --> 01:38:06,540
terms of the times it was not a total

2071
01:38:11,870 --> 01:38:09,120
fantasy but you know you get out of

2072
01:38:14,780 --> 01:38:11,880
those times it was McCarthyism but they

2073
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:14,790
decided that they needed to scare UFO

2074
01:38:24,590 --> 01:38:19,650
groups out of existence because the 1952

2075
01:38:29,870 --> 01:38:24,600
July 1952 flap over DC so flooded radars

2076
01:38:32,240 --> 01:38:29,880
and and filter centers and other means

2077
01:38:35,270 --> 01:38:32,250
of detecting the evil Soviets who were

2078
01:38:36,770 --> 01:38:35,280
coming to to turn us into pod people or

2079
01:38:40,130 --> 01:38:36,780
whatever they were coming to do that

2080
01:38:43,209 --> 01:38:40,140
they decided that UFO groups our flying

2081
01:38:45,590 --> 01:38:43,219
saucer groups would be an easy mark for

2082
01:38:48,770 --> 01:38:45,600
for the Communists so they became

2083
01:38:51,589 --> 01:38:48,780
instead an easy mark for the CIA

2084
01:38:55,100 --> 01:38:51,599
ridiculous in terms of now but if you if

2085
01:38:57,770 --> 01:38:55,110
you live through or have studied the

2086
01:38:59,390 --> 01:38:57,780
McCarthy era that's that's the kind of

2087
01:39:02,720 --> 01:38:59,400
thinking went on back then that

2088
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:02,730
practically took us into a global

2089
01:39:08,510 --> 01:39:06,000
thermonuclear war later we're not going

2090
01:39:10,220 --> 01:39:08,520
to get into the politics from now where

2091
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:10,230
we have more pot people and control of

2092
01:39:14,660 --> 01:39:13,199
government than we did then well I'm not

2093
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:14,670
sure that that's the only place you find

2094
01:39:20,169 --> 01:39:18,090
pod people that's that's the problem you

2095
01:39:23,359 --> 01:39:20,179
find a lot of pod people that are

2096
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:23,369
staring at their little machines all the

2097
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:28,800
time and I have watched it happen and

2098
01:39:34,850 --> 01:39:32,250
and into it enough to be to use it but

2099
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:34,860
to me a technology is something to be

2100
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:38,130
used to enhance life not to be a

2101
01:39:45,589 --> 01:39:42,480
substitute for life so I watch it happen

2102
01:39:47,810 --> 01:39:45,599
and it's partly amusing and partly a

2103
01:39:57,279 --> 01:39:47,820
very very sad thing by the way when I

2104
01:40:03,410 --> 01:40:00,589
sound of alan greenfield trying to

2105
01:40:05,299 --> 01:40:03,420
remember his deep dark distant past when

2106
01:40:07,790 --> 01:40:05,309
he was in high school obviously an

2107
01:40:09,379 --> 01:40:07,800
experience that he didn't enjoy I'm just

2108
01:40:12,740 --> 01:40:09,389
trying to think of the technical name

2109
01:40:14,979 --> 01:40:12,750
for it the movement of the tectonic

2110
01:40:18,319 --> 01:40:14,989
plates that what's the term for that

2111
01:40:21,379 --> 01:40:18,329
earthquake plate movement no there's no

2112
01:40:23,209 --> 01:40:21,389
there's a more a spiffier term anyway

2113
01:40:26,330 --> 01:40:23,219
you know what I'm talking about that was

2114
01:40:30,290 --> 01:40:26,340
considered to be boo tray fringe science

2115
01:40:32,299 --> 01:40:30,300
like acupuncture you know that was it

2116
01:40:37,729 --> 01:40:32,309
was not legitimate theory now it's

2117
01:40:38,209 --> 01:40:37,739
orthodoxy I mean absolutely things do

2118
01:40:42,140 --> 01:40:38,219
change

2119
01:40:44,089 --> 01:40:42,150
yeah we've learned well yeah

2120
01:40:47,029 --> 01:40:44,099
people learn but they don't learn from

2121
01:40:50,779 --> 01:40:47,039
learning they don't learn that the next

2122
01:40:52,779 --> 01:40:50,789
big thing will also change everything it

2123
01:40:56,890 --> 01:40:52,789
literally changed the shape of the earth

2124
01:41:01,600 --> 01:40:56,900
it changed what the earth looked like in

2125
01:41:02,810 --> 01:41:01,610
its primordial form and also exposed

2126
01:41:04,970 --> 01:41:02,820
that

2127
01:41:07,970 --> 01:41:04,980
those few scientists who were advocating

2128
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:07,980
for that were marginalized just as

2129
01:41:13,790 --> 01:41:10,650
valack offski was just as tesla was and

2130
01:41:15,859 --> 01:41:13,800
that doesn't make them right but it does

2131
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:15,869
mean that certain ideas are forbidden

2132
01:41:25,339 --> 01:41:20,690
and when orthodoxy forbids ideas it's

2133
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:25,349
inherently worth looking into in my yeah

2134
01:41:29,810 --> 01:41:28,290
it's the whole academic elitist thing

2135
01:41:31,220 --> 01:41:29,820
that's not a very good way to go

2136
01:41:32,899 --> 01:41:31,230
especially if you're trying to find out

2137
01:41:35,209 --> 01:41:32,909
what the truth is you would think that

2138
01:41:36,859 --> 01:41:35,219
those people of all people would want to

2139
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:36,869
be the ones to get to the bottom of it

2140
01:41:42,680 --> 01:41:39,570
but there is just as much politics in

2141
01:41:44,330 --> 01:41:42,690
sciences there is anywhere else gene if

2142
01:41:46,250 --> 01:41:44,340
I could just back up a bit there so you

2143
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:46,260
buried the hatchet with Hall and then

2144
01:41:50,810 --> 01:41:47,760
you were about to tell us where it all

2145
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:50,820
came back around to and we went on to

2146
01:41:55,700 --> 01:41:53,520
something else can can we just back up

2147
01:41:58,459 --> 01:41:55,710
to where you can finish that there's not

2148
01:42:00,109 --> 01:41:58,469
much to say I just happened to see him

2149
01:42:03,290 --> 01:42:00,119
there and I walked over to him and he

2150
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:03,300
smiled and I shook hands and I said you

2151
01:42:07,399 --> 01:42:05,280
know are we burying the hatchet and he

2152
01:42:10,629 --> 01:42:07,409
kind of said yes we are and he probably

2153
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:10,639
realized that he overreacted then and

2154
01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:13,920
therefore we just let it go there was no

2155
01:42:19,129 --> 01:42:16,530
reason to even bring it up and maybe he

2156
01:42:21,859 --> 01:42:19,139
realized what had happened and part of

2157
01:42:24,220 --> 01:42:21,869
it I think was the fact that he had

2158
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:24,230
developed this hatred of Jim Mosely and

2159
01:42:29,180 --> 01:42:26,610
this is another story I've told this

2160
01:42:32,060 --> 01:42:29,190
before on the podcast so turn the radio

2161
01:42:33,740 --> 01:42:32,070
down low a little bit not too much or

2162
01:42:37,250 --> 01:42:33,750
you can tell me later how I changed the

2163
01:42:39,939 --> 01:42:37,260
story over the years so Jim Mosely told

2164
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:39,949
the story I wasn't there that he called

2165
01:42:46,339 --> 01:42:43,530
nightcap about something and they call

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answers and in the middle of the

2167
01:42:51,979 --> 01:42:48,420
conversation Hall says are you taping

2168
01:42:54,620 --> 01:42:51,989
this and Jim says no I don't even own a

2169
01:42:56,930 --> 01:42:54,630
tape recorder which he didn't because

2170
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:56,940
Jim was a Luddite a classic Luddite he

2171
01:43:02,750 --> 01:42:59,280
didn't have an answering machine on his

2172
01:43:04,609 --> 01:43:02,760
phone he didn't have a computer he had

2173
01:43:11,299 --> 01:43:04,619
an electric typewriter through the end

2174
01:43:14,780 --> 01:43:11,309
of his days yeah right so and hand

2175
01:43:15,290 --> 01:43:14,790
justified that was until he got really

2176
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:15,300
old

2177
01:43:18,590 --> 01:43:16,170
tanjo

2178
01:43:22,610 --> 01:43:18,600
defied every issue of saucer news which

2179
01:43:24,830 --> 01:43:22,620
ism to me evermore and there was only

2180
01:43:30,230 --> 01:43:24,840
one person on the planet who can also do

2181
01:43:32,090 --> 01:43:30,240
it is that you yes well you don't know

2182
01:43:35,090 --> 01:43:32,100
do you because it's it's time-consuming

2183
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:35,100
and it's not necessary now the machines

2184
01:43:40,490 --> 01:43:37,650
can think for us right but you see those

2185
01:43:43,670 --> 01:43:40,500
days what we do is you type it once mark

2186
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:43,680
the number of spaces you had to ant to

2187
01:43:51,620 --> 01:43:47,250
justify yeah now when I put together

2188
01:43:53,690 --> 01:43:51,630
caveat emptor I did the same thing and I

2189
01:43:56,450 --> 01:43:53,700
also got a hold of one of the primitive

2190
01:43:59,570 --> 01:43:56,460
type setting machines called an IBM

2191
01:44:02,390 --> 01:43:59,580
selectric composer and it was the same

2192
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:02,400
thing you would have to type twice and

2193
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:04,650
they had two different versions one

2194
01:44:10,940 --> 01:44:07,440
where you did it manually and the other

2195
01:44:13,490 --> 01:44:10,950
where it would print it out on a punched

2196
01:44:15,710 --> 01:44:13,500
card and when you ran it back and played

2197
01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:15,720
it back it would be perfect it would be

2198
01:44:22,580 --> 01:44:20,490
perfectly justified let me tell you

2199
01:44:23,690 --> 01:44:22,590
about that convention does let me make

2200
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:23,700
sure we're talking about the same

2201
01:44:28,730 --> 01:44:25,410
convention is this the one in the

2202
01:44:31,250 --> 01:44:28,740
mid-70s where MUFON and a pro and not

2203
01:44:33,650 --> 01:44:31,260
gap were all involved in sponsoring it

2204
01:44:35,510 --> 01:44:33,660
and there was certain thing in middle

2205
01:44:37,610 --> 01:44:35,520
ufology where we were concerned that

2206
01:44:40,430 --> 01:44:37,620
they were going to consolidate power and

2207
01:44:42,050 --> 01:44:40,440
sort of you know do the equivalent of

2208
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putting the rest of us up against the

2209
01:44:48,440 --> 01:44:44,430
wall well this was in Fort Smith

2210
01:44:50,210 --> 01:44:48,450
Arkansas ok Fort Smith right and I met

2211
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that wait wait we got another story and

2212
01:44:56,240 --> 01:44:53,640
then you can take it over ok so I also

2213
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met Cora Lorenzen and Jim Lorenzo now

2214
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Jim Lorenzen was a really nice guy Carl

2215
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Lorenzen was a crusty woman and that

2216
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puts it very very mildly but rather than

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tell you what happened let's do our

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Jim Lorenzen seem like a nice guy

2280
01:48:12,530 --> 01:48:10,110
Cora Luhrmann's and said oh you're the

2281
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guy who ran that photo in your magazine

2282
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without our permission there's something

2283
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called fair use ladies and gentlemen

2284
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so I ran this magazine called the UFO

2285
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:23,070
reporter pre caveat emptor days and I

2286
01:48:27,649 --> 01:48:25,530
ran this picture with a credit it was

2287
01:48:29,569 --> 01:48:27,659
picture of Lonnie Zamora now to make

2288
01:48:32,299 --> 01:48:29,579
things clear this was a photo that had

2289
01:48:34,850 --> 01:48:32,309
appeared in lots of places and I gave

2290
01:48:38,450 --> 01:48:34,860
credit for it but I didn't know that she

2291
01:48:41,299 --> 01:48:38,460
took it and she says we spent a hundred

2292
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:41,309
dollars to take that photo how dare you

2293
01:48:48,020 --> 01:48:46,050
this was what 1965 ten years later the

2294
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:48,030
first thing that came to her mind when

2295
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:50,250
she saw me was because I look pretty

2296
01:48:55,609 --> 01:48:51,690
much the same except being 10 years

2297
01:48:57,729 --> 01:48:55,619
older oh you're the one who ran that

2298
01:49:00,649 --> 01:48:57,739
photo and I thought to myself really

2299
01:49:04,819 --> 01:49:00,659
really is that all she has thought about

2300
01:49:07,819 --> 01:49:04,829
in 10 years yeah where you were

2301
01:49:11,330 --> 01:49:07,829
concerned that was forever associated in

2302
01:49:14,500 --> 01:49:11,340
her mind that convention I just decided

2303
01:49:17,899 --> 01:49:14,510
as I said in my first and only

2304
01:49:21,770 --> 01:49:17,909
self-published book soft sir saucers and

2305
01:49:24,770 --> 01:49:21,780
saucers which is totally a lebrandt so

2306
01:49:27,229 --> 01:49:24,780
good luck finding it some rare book

2307
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:27,239
people have it I don't get anything for

2308
01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:29,130
it and I never did I mean it was a

2309
01:49:34,280 --> 01:49:31,770
dollar fact it was that book that I got

2310
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:34,290
in my original fight with Jerry Clark

2311
01:49:39,140 --> 01:49:36,480
but anyway at that convention I was very

2312
01:49:42,530 --> 01:49:39,150
concerned because the big UFO groups

2313
01:49:44,359 --> 01:49:42,540
which I thought by then I was convinced

2314
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:44,369
they were on the totally the wrong track

2315
01:49:51,290 --> 01:49:47,760
and were people like or Lorenson and

2316
01:49:51,650 --> 01:49:51,300
dick Hall and I would not abide that so

2317
01:49:54,260 --> 01:49:51,660
I went

2318
01:49:57,140 --> 01:49:54,270
a week early and all the radio

2319
01:50:01,220 --> 01:49:57,150
interviews that were available locally I

2320
01:50:04,160 --> 01:50:01,230
set a tone for the convention I think I

2321
01:50:06,500 --> 01:50:04,170
was there with Rick and Ed people or I

2322
01:50:07,970 --> 01:50:06,510
forget who was there but we had a little

2323
01:50:11,390 --> 01:50:07,980
group of people that you know we're

2324
01:50:15,380 --> 01:50:11,400
basically sabotaging the the convention

2325
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:15,390
and I do remember that everybody who was

2326
01:50:21,020 --> 01:50:18,810
alive in ufology was there as they were

2327
01:50:24,140 --> 01:50:21,030
at that convention that fate put on in

2328
01:50:26,150 --> 01:50:24,150
Chicago in the same era in fact Kenneth

2329
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:26,160
Arnold was there Margaret Mead was there

2330
01:50:31,700 --> 01:50:30,930
it was briefly with Moseley chasing her

2331
01:50:34,820 --> 01:50:31,710
for an autograph

2332
01:50:38,450 --> 01:50:34,830
but I do remember that one of the things

2333
01:50:40,610 --> 01:50:38,460
that that I wanted to do was any press

2334
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:40,620
that was there and there was some to

2335
01:50:46,700 --> 01:50:43,770
give a pretty much what I've been saying

2336
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:46,710
tonight with song quantum because I

2337
01:50:53,630 --> 01:50:49,920
wasn't yet sufficiently versed in that

2338
01:50:57,380 --> 01:50:53,640
to defend the position just I my

2339
01:51:00,980 --> 01:50:57,390
instinct was where we need a theory that

2340
01:51:03,970 --> 01:51:00,990
is more in line with alternate

2341
01:51:07,640 --> 01:51:03,980
dimensions concepts rather than

2342
01:51:09,530 --> 01:51:07,650
spaceship gene and I and two or three

2343
01:51:11,330 --> 01:51:09,540
other people I hope you remember this

2344
01:51:13,130 --> 01:51:11,340
gene because sometimes you don't

2345
01:51:15,620 --> 01:51:13,140
remember my story like I wanted you

2346
01:51:17,960 --> 01:51:15,630
story but we went to a hotel room with a

2347
01:51:20,030 --> 01:51:17,970
reporter from admit in the National

2348
01:51:21,770 --> 01:51:20,040
Enquirer or one of their competitors I

2349
01:51:24,860 --> 01:51:21,780
think it was one of their competitors at

2350
01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:24,870
that time major circulation but you know

2351
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:27,450
they were they were looking for a flying

2352
01:51:34,100 --> 01:51:31,530
saucer story and we basically said you

2353
01:51:36,350 --> 01:51:34,110
know these these theories that people

2354
01:51:38,990 --> 01:51:36,360
have don't correspond to the phenomena

2355
01:51:41,480 --> 01:51:39,000
as as it is manifest again we went on

2356
01:51:43,490 --> 01:51:41,490
and on and on as I will tend to do and

2357
01:51:47,210 --> 01:51:43,500
gene was doing it to this reporter is

2358
01:51:50,030 --> 01:51:47,220
just writing things down and taking it

2359
01:51:53,390 --> 01:51:50,040
all in and then when we get ran out of

2360
01:51:56,120 --> 01:51:53,400
breath or ran out of something to drink

2361
01:51:59,930 --> 01:51:56,130
or whatever we were doing or smoking if

2362
01:52:01,910 --> 01:51:59,940
the case may have been the guy didn't

2363
01:52:04,180 --> 01:52:01,920
say anything for a minute when I keep us

2364
01:52:05,500 --> 01:52:04,190
trying to figure out what would be the

2365
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:05,510
diplomatic

2366
01:52:10,240 --> 01:52:08,570
to say at this point he looked at us and

2367
01:52:12,910 --> 01:52:10,250
he said you guys don't believe any of

2368
01:52:16,150 --> 01:52:12,920
this stuff do we stuff was not the word

2369
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:16,160
he used as I recall and we just smiled

2370
01:52:22,540 --> 01:52:20,000
and said oh we don't we don't believe in

2371
01:52:27,340 --> 01:52:22,550
NICAP we don't believe in fairies we

2372
01:52:30,490 --> 01:52:27,350
don't believe we don't believe that the

2373
01:52:32,350 --> 01:52:30,500
moon is inhabited I mean we went through

2374
01:52:34,510 --> 01:52:32,360
you know we don't believe and he was

2375
01:52:36,729 --> 01:52:34,520
just like then what are you doing at

2376
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:36,739
this convention and he said something

2377
01:52:41,260 --> 01:52:38,890
like trying to say if you follow G and

2378
01:52:43,300 --> 01:52:41,270
whether he got it and I don't know so I

2379
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:43,310
remember his article which came out a

2380
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:46,970
week to later was and was at every check

2381
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:50,810
out in the United States and Texas was

2382
01:52:54,930 --> 01:52:52,970
very favorable to us and not so

2383
01:52:58,840 --> 01:52:54,940
favorable to the convention organizers

2384
01:53:01,900 --> 01:52:58,850
but I got Charlie Hickson drunk and got

2385
01:53:04,510 --> 01:53:01,910
his drunken version of his story and I

2386
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:04,520
checked out I mean he you know he was

2387
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:09,650
under the table I wasn't and he was the

2388
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:12,800
story stayed the same so I I did the

2389
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:15,489
right kind of interview I can't imagine

2390
01:53:19,330 --> 01:53:17,930
Cora Lawrence and doing that kind of

2391
01:53:22,150 --> 01:53:19,340
interview with Hicks she might have

2392
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:22,160
bought into his story but it was the

2393
01:53:27,070 --> 01:53:24,560
cold sober version and she didn't

2394
01:53:29,610 --> 01:53:27,080
apparently know any good Latin because

2395
01:53:32,170 --> 01:53:29,620
in vino veritas

2396
01:53:35,620 --> 01:53:32,180
actually it was more like bourbon

2397
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:35,630
because Mosley was there and it had to

2398
01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:38,090
be but remember when I used to visit

2399
01:53:45,100 --> 01:53:41,170
Mosley every night he'd have VAT 69

2400
01:53:48,970 --> 01:53:45,110
whiskey and he have something that you

2401
01:53:50,490 --> 01:53:48,980
smoke and inhale mm-hm and he had a

2402
01:53:54,910 --> 01:53:50,500
light organ that was his only

2403
01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:54,920
technological device those things he

2404
01:53:58,090 --> 01:53:56,570
plugged into your stereo that would like

2405
01:54:00,729 --> 01:53:58,100
go with the music that type of thing

2406
01:54:02,710 --> 01:54:00,739
yeah a very early version of that you

2407
01:54:05,350 --> 01:54:02,720
know it had it was simple it got

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01:54:07,570 --> 01:54:05,360
activated her lights got activated and

2409
01:54:11,050 --> 01:54:07,580
it was behind a plastic say I had one

2410
01:54:13,900 --> 01:54:11,060
though Radio Shack or something but I

2411
01:54:16,990 --> 01:54:13,910
know he got it was a big one jim was

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01:54:19,170 --> 01:54:17,000
well-to-do and it was a big one I had

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01:54:21,550 --> 01:54:19,180
you know like 14

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01:54:23,620 --> 01:54:21,560
different ones but then I had every

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01:54:27,210 --> 01:54:23,630
gadget in the universe because I was a

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01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:27,220
gadget err still still AM I just don't

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01:54:31,630 --> 01:54:29,810
get trippy music back then that you'd

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01:54:35,020 --> 01:54:31,640
listen to like what Jefferson Airplane

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01:54:37,390 --> 01:54:35,030
errs without even - that's not trippy no

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01:54:41,650 --> 01:54:37,400
okay what would be trippy back in those

2421
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:41,660
days mc5 maybe I don't know what Jim's

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01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:44,090
taste in music was this is before Pink

2423
01:54:50,500 --> 01:54:47,690
Floyd I guess he used him instead of him

2424
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:50,510
that that says something I mean consider

2425
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:54,290
he was a generation older than us and my

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01:54:58,810 --> 01:54:56,330
right should have been dead many many

2427
01:55:01,570 --> 01:54:58,820
years ago but actually I mean because

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like I said I don't think I ever saw him

2429
01:55:05,620 --> 01:55:03,860
draw a sober breath or not have a

2430
01:55:09,970 --> 01:55:05,630
cigarette in his mouth but he did lift

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01:55:12,220 --> 01:55:09,980
into his 80s if I his father did to his

2432
01:55:13,750 --> 01:55:12,230
father outlived him unfortunately and

2433
01:55:15,670 --> 01:55:13,760
there are lots of things that can be

2434
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:15,680
said about that other than his father

2435
01:55:20,890 --> 01:55:18,530
was an anti-semite yes and he lived in

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01:55:23,230 --> 01:55:20,900
Atlanta and was an associate of Gerald L

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01:55:27,180 --> 01:55:23,240
K Smith the most notorious anti-semite

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in America but so were some Smith's

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associates included several members of

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the nightcap board however wait wait

2441
01:55:37,390 --> 01:55:35,480
wait which one's I don't remember I mean

2442
01:55:41,800 --> 01:55:37,400
they were the original list and where I

2443
01:55:44,620 --> 01:55:41,810
got the original list was was Ray Palmer

2444
01:55:46,750 --> 01:55:44,630
printed it so you can if you've still

2445
01:55:49,420 --> 01:55:46,760
got copies of flying saucers which I

2446
01:55:51,730 --> 01:55:49,430
don't you you will find it in the in his

2447
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:51,740
anti nightcap issue which I think we

2448
01:55:56,950 --> 01:55:54,530
provoked right yes indeed we provoked a

2449
01:56:00,610 --> 01:55:56,960
lot of things but this is where we were

2450
01:56:04,170 --> 01:56:00,620
at our peak yes we were we were fine

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young men dedicated to mayhem and truth

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justice and the Canadian way and we're

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legalizing up here this summer by the

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way yeah

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just thing a couple of former teen

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everybody that's Talent

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poor Halpern he's actually an

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actual and academic and of course nobody

2459
01:56:40,540 --> 01:56:37,550
pays any attention to him except me

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01:56:43,030 --> 01:56:40,550
you know I mean he publishes this blog

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on WordPress which you know sort of

2462
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dooms it right there but it's a really

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really it would go over really well in

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Calgary although he's in North Carolina

2465
01:56:57,010 --> 01:56:55,130
now I think an unlikely place for him

2466
01:57:01,200 --> 01:56:57,020
he's been on a para cast a couple of

2467
01:57:04,030 --> 01:57:01,210
times oh he came to the reunion of the

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national UFO conference and we had a

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good time together because I don't know

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anybody else that speaks fairly fluent

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Hebrew and he does so we we between my

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interviews with faculty I didn't need to

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para cast calm this is apropos of

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nothing so it's obvious that we can have

2574
02:02:11,570 --> 02:02:07,710
David Halpern and Alan Greenfield

2575
02:02:14,330 --> 02:02:11,580
speak Hebrew I saw this recording that

2576
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was made of Leonard Nimoy maybe a year

2577
02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:15,440
or two before he died

2578
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speaking Yiddish the entire interview

2579
02:02:28,280 --> 02:02:25,340
was in Yiddish it's contagious

2580
02:02:29,000 --> 02:02:28,290
go ahead so let's see Yiddish is

2581
02:02:31,730 --> 02:02:29,010
contagious

2582
02:02:36,470 --> 02:02:31,740
of course so how does that relate to

2583
02:02:43,940 --> 02:02:40,460
the golem the Dybbuk are both phenomena

2584
02:02:46,280 --> 02:02:43,950
that are nearly identical to the

2585
02:02:51,170 --> 02:02:46,290
phenomena that you have in abduction

2586
02:02:55,660 --> 02:02:51,180
cases as oh I get this so therefore et

2587
02:02:58,370 --> 02:02:55,670
speaks Yiddish only if you ask him to

2588
02:03:00,440 --> 02:02:58,380
just think in the movie earth forces the

2589
02:03:03,730 --> 02:03:00,450
flying saucers the aliens could speak

2590
02:03:06,620 --> 02:03:03,740
every language oh yeah remember that

2591
02:03:08,750 --> 02:03:06,630
would be really ironic that whole thing

2592
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:08,760
there because the Nazis claimed to be in

2593
02:03:13,670 --> 02:03:11,370
cahoots with them as well and of course

2594
02:03:16,550 --> 02:03:13,680
we've got the UFOs with the Nazi

2595
02:03:22,100 --> 02:03:16,560
insignia on it oh if they were in any

2596
02:03:24,020 --> 02:03:22,110
way Jewish show on that on TV on the

2597
02:03:25,670 --> 02:03:24,030
History Channel one of many that I did

2598
02:03:28,760 --> 02:03:25,680
on the History Channel and so I said

2599
02:03:30,860 --> 02:03:28,770
this is a bunch of bleep to be polite

2600
02:03:34,010 --> 02:03:30,870
about it and they never invited me back

2601
02:03:37,910 --> 02:03:34,020
after that but anyway I think the whole

2602
02:03:42,020 --> 02:03:37,920
Nazi UFO connection is someone translate

2603
02:03:44,210 --> 02:03:42,030
for I know the translation but I really

2604
02:03:46,190 --> 02:03:44,220
don't know how to do it on a program

2605
02:03:48,260 --> 02:03:46,200
that young folks might be listening to

2606
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:48,270
well Alan getting back to the

2607
02:03:51,729 --> 02:03:50,490
multi-dimensional or the alternate

2608
02:03:53,990 --> 02:03:51,739
universe I

2609
02:03:57,110 --> 02:03:54,000
we may have touched on this last time

2610
02:03:59,450 --> 02:03:57,120
you were on the show I'm not sure but we

2611
02:04:01,640 --> 02:03:59,460
have this thing that's become a little

2612
02:04:04,100 --> 02:04:01,650
bit more popular out there on the

2613
02:04:07,700 --> 02:04:04,110
youtubes and so on where it's called the

2614
02:04:09,530 --> 02:04:07,710
Mandela effect what they think is that

2615
02:04:13,070 --> 02:04:09,540
you know the where one of the ideas of

2616
02:04:16,879 --> 02:04:13,080
this is that we're getting these pieces

2617
02:04:18,919 --> 02:04:16,889
of reality mixed up some people maybe

2618
02:04:22,160 --> 02:04:18,929
slide through some kind of a sliding

2619
02:04:24,399 --> 02:04:22,170
door into another reality where they it

2620
02:04:27,080 --> 02:04:24,409
seems to be the same and then yet

2621
02:04:29,360 --> 02:04:27,090
certain things are just different what's

2622
02:04:31,010 --> 02:04:29,370
your take on that is it just people a

2623
02:04:33,320 --> 02:04:31,020
bad memory or do you think this could be

2624
02:04:39,140 --> 02:04:33,330
there could be something to this I think

2625
02:04:40,879 --> 02:04:39,150
that most of them are in fact being

2626
02:04:44,870 --> 02:04:40,889
forgetful about something and

2627
02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:44,880
remembering Nelson Mandela was in jail

2628
02:04:50,180 --> 02:04:48,090
and then he got out of jail and then he

2629
02:04:53,810 --> 02:04:50,190
became the president of South Africa I

2630
02:04:55,879 --> 02:04:53,820
mean that's a pretty big climb aside

2631
02:04:59,000 --> 02:04:55,889
from anything else that you might say

2632
02:05:03,379 --> 02:04:59,010
about it and people remembering his

2633
02:05:06,620 --> 02:05:03,389
funeral is sort of the conflation of the

2634
02:05:09,649 --> 02:05:06,630
fact that he I mean he was still alive

2635
02:05:12,890 --> 02:05:09,659
when the Mandela effect was coined in

2636
02:05:16,250 --> 02:05:12,900
that way because he was in fact still

2637
02:05:18,500 --> 02:05:16,260
alive until what two years ago five

2638
02:05:20,030 --> 02:05:18,510
years ago maybe time yeah in your

2639
02:05:21,830 --> 02:05:20,040
reality I'm one of those people that

2640
02:05:23,360 --> 02:05:21,840
remember both and I've talked to a few

2641
02:05:26,780 --> 02:05:23,370
other people who remember both they

2642
02:05:29,149 --> 02:05:26,790
really you know yeah I remember he was

2643
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:29,159
he died in jail and it was a big funeral

2644
02:05:33,979 --> 02:05:30,810
and everything and this is what I

2645
02:05:35,450 --> 02:05:33,989
remembered because I was when he became

2646
02:05:39,080 --> 02:05:35,460
when he was let out of jail I was like

2647
02:05:40,490 --> 02:05:39,090
what what's going on here because I was

2648
02:05:45,919 --> 02:05:40,500
one of those people who would remembered

2649
02:05:47,510 --> 02:05:45,929
his is old memoriam thing waiting you

2650
02:05:51,680 --> 02:05:47,520
can't really conflate something that

2651
02:05:52,129 --> 02:05:51,690
hasn't happened yet right well what I'm

2652
02:05:55,550 --> 02:05:52,139
saying

2653
02:05:58,550 --> 02:05:55,560
I mean you could conflate some other

2654
02:06:04,010 --> 02:05:58,560
South African activists like what was

2655
02:06:05,419 --> 02:06:04,020
the one that was killed in the the

2656
02:06:07,640 --> 02:06:05,429
middle of the anti apart

2657
02:06:10,549 --> 02:06:07,650
tights struggle and there was a big

2658
02:06:12,319 --> 02:06:10,559
funeral for him and you may have seen or

2659
02:06:15,169 --> 02:06:12,329
heard about that but I'm not going to

2660
02:06:18,229 --> 02:06:15,179
try to rationalize that I mean I'm just

2661
02:06:20,719 --> 02:06:18,239
saying that that often maybe I picked a

2662
02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:20,729
poor example because you have a better

2663
02:06:24,589 --> 02:06:22,650
memory of that but like Billy Graham's

2664
02:06:25,790 --> 02:06:24,599
funeral Billy Graham died three times

2665
02:06:28,399 --> 02:06:25,800
nice

2666
02:06:30,410 --> 02:06:28,409
he finally actually died but he was you

2667
02:06:33,649 --> 02:06:30,420
know like pushing a hundred at the time

2668
02:06:36,949 --> 02:06:33,659
and in fact he outlived his his time it

2669
02:06:38,949 --> 02:06:36,959
was a little sad he barely made a ripple

2670
02:06:41,600 --> 02:06:38,959
on the news

2671
02:06:43,729 --> 02:06:41,610
Bill Maher said he was glad he was dead

2672
02:06:47,870 --> 02:06:43,739
or something but that's that's a that

2673
02:06:49,069 --> 02:06:47,880
was well I guess maybe let's just to

2674
02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:49,079
make it a little more interesting you

2675
02:06:53,149 --> 02:06:50,610
know the story you were telling about

2676
02:06:57,109 --> 02:06:53,159
there was the gray little man that was

2677
02:06:59,989 --> 02:06:57,119
seen walking some people okay so I'm

2678
02:07:02,509 --> 02:06:59,999
thinking that if there is some truth to

2679
02:07:06,259 --> 02:07:02,519
this interdimensional or alternate

2680
02:07:09,890 --> 02:07:06,269
universe hypothesis that maybe it's the

2681
02:07:12,229 --> 02:07:09,900
same situation for them in many cases as

2682
02:07:14,179 --> 02:07:12,239
it is for us in other words yeah he

2683
02:07:16,459 --> 02:07:14,189
might find himself this little alien guy

2684
02:07:18,949 --> 02:07:16,469
walking along through some familiar path

2685
02:07:21,699 --> 02:07:18,959
wherever his universe is and then

2686
02:07:26,060 --> 02:07:21,709
suddenly find himself walking down a

2687
02:07:29,839 --> 02:07:26,070
street wherever going what the heck is

2688
02:07:31,370 --> 02:07:29,849
this and then just disappearing back

2689
02:07:33,890 --> 02:07:31,380
into his room and then telling the same

2690
02:07:36,080 --> 02:07:33,900
story on that side like I was just in

2691
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:36,090
this place I have no idea where it is or

2692
02:07:40,910 --> 02:07:38,010
where it was maybe it's just as

2693
02:07:43,489 --> 02:07:40,920
mysterious to them as it is to us yeah I

2694
02:07:47,259 --> 02:07:43,499
think that's probably the explanation

2695
02:07:50,589 --> 02:07:47,269
for a lot of those cases in terms of of

2696
02:07:53,209 --> 02:07:50,599
memories that don't jive with the

2697
02:07:54,949 --> 02:07:53,219
historical record the recent historical

2698
02:07:57,109 --> 02:07:54,959
record I like to say we can't agree

2699
02:07:58,609 --> 02:07:57,119
about the last war how we're going to

2700
02:08:01,330 --> 02:07:58,619
agree about things that happen a

2701
02:08:04,219 --> 02:08:01,340
thousand years ago you know that's

2702
02:08:07,279 --> 02:08:04,229
there's some truth in that but history

2703
02:08:09,949 --> 02:08:07,289
has a speculative edge to it that is

2704
02:08:12,290 --> 02:08:09,959
annoying to people like me that are very

2705
02:08:14,479 --> 02:08:12,300
very much history junkies but of course

2706
02:08:17,179 --> 02:08:14,489
history is owned by the victors as they

2707
02:08:19,160 --> 02:08:17,189
say they're not always I mean you know

2708
02:08:21,350 --> 02:08:19,170
they the problem

2709
02:08:24,650 --> 02:08:21,360
the Gnostic scriptures that were dug up

2710
02:08:27,910 --> 02:08:24,660
are at this point more fascinating to

2711
02:08:31,340 --> 02:08:27,920
more people than than conventional

2712
02:08:33,650 --> 02:08:31,350
biblical studies simply because the they

2713
02:08:36,200 --> 02:08:33,660
were suppressed for so long and then

2714
02:08:40,010 --> 02:08:36,210
they were stumbled upon literally not

2715
02:08:43,400 --> 02:08:40,020
mean like the Dead Sea Scrolls yeah yeah

2716
02:08:46,580 --> 02:08:43,410
both stumbled upon at approximately the

2717
02:08:49,220 --> 02:08:46,590
same time in different countries but at

2718
02:08:52,340 --> 02:08:49,230
the time that the State of Israel came

2719
02:08:55,040 --> 02:08:52,350
into mean you can you know make and at

2720
02:08:57,320 --> 02:08:55,050
the end of the Holocaust you can make

2721
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:57,330
that you know say this is a

2722
02:09:03,650 --> 02:09:00,000
synchronicity or this is a significant

2723
02:09:05,600 --> 02:09:03,660
chain of events or one has nothing to do

2724
02:09:08,510 --> 02:09:05,610
with the other or it has a causal

2725
02:09:13,240 --> 02:09:08,520
relationship as in things were being

2726
02:09:15,890 --> 02:09:13,250
stirred up in the Holy Land and

2727
02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:15,900
therefore the Bedouins were out

2728
02:09:23,110 --> 02:09:18,810
searching for things to either burn or

2729
02:09:27,590 --> 02:09:23,120
sell to you know the economic

2730
02:09:29,689 --> 02:09:27,600
explanations semi Marxian stuff but as I

2731
02:09:33,350 --> 02:09:29,699
said Marx and Jesus have gone the way of

2732
02:09:35,479 --> 02:09:33,360
all flesh so we have to come up with

2733
02:09:37,430 --> 02:09:35,489
something new and better than that

2734
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:37,440
anyway I think there's some credibility

2735
02:09:42,500 --> 02:09:40,010
to that and there there are even more

2736
02:09:44,209 --> 02:09:42,510
dramatic stories like the woman who woke

2737
02:09:48,650 --> 02:09:44,219
up in the wrong world and the guy who

2738
02:09:50,750 --> 02:09:48,660
was I mean I can cite the specifics here

2739
02:09:53,900 --> 02:09:50,760
but I I can't do it offhand I would have

2740
02:09:55,160 --> 02:09:53,910
to go to my sources but paraphrase it

2741
02:09:58,010 --> 02:09:55,170
sounds like it could be interesting

2742
02:09:59,479 --> 02:09:58,020
before the paraphrase I want greenfield

2743
02:10:01,790 --> 02:09:59,489
ladies and gentlemen is preparing to

2744
02:10:05,630 --> 02:10:01,800
paraphrase he's meditating right now I

2745
02:10:08,240 --> 02:10:05,640
see him and his person his lips or he's

2746
02:10:11,300 --> 02:10:08,250
giving his wife her purse or something

2747
02:10:14,180 --> 02:10:11,310
like that or saying oh or whatever

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we've got Alan and gene and Randall

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[Music]

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USA radio neon see all eyes on Monday

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around president Trump's meeting with

2780
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Russian President Vladimir Putin now

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we're hearing after the meeting on

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Monday there will be a joint news

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conference Senator Lindsey Graham is a

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02:11:58,409 --> 02:11:56,679
prediction for this meeting I have a lot

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02:12:01,080 --> 02:11:58,419
of faith in President Trump

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02:12:03,839 --> 02:12:01,090
Putin ran over Obama cuz he was so weak

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in the eyes of President Putin President

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Trump needs to convince President Putin

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that he wants a better relationship but

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things have to change to get it at the

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end of the day Putin doesn't respect

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Trump this will be a failed summit I

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02:12:19,500 --> 02:12:17,650
believe that President Trump is going to

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lay out what a good relationship will

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02:12:24,330 --> 02:12:21,969
look like and challenge Putin to get

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there and if he fails to get there that

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Trump's gonna convince him unlike Bush

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unlike Obama you'll pay a price on my

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[Music]

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02:14:47,840 --> 02:14:45,930
this is Micah Hanks to the graylien

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2858
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so Ellen want a cracker

2859
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Ellen want a cracker parrot psychology

2860
02:15:12,720 --> 02:15:09,909
yeah yeah yeah this married girl live

2861
02:15:15,569 --> 02:15:12,730
Hannah one of those african greys which

2862
02:15:19,169 --> 02:15:15,579
are the most intelligent bird I think

2863
02:15:22,649 --> 02:15:19,179
and it would say things like hey come

2864
02:15:25,260 --> 02:15:22,659
here and if you went over to bite you is

2865
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it's great big beak just thought I would

2866
02:15:30,330 --> 02:15:27,880
pass that along did okay you were going

2867
02:15:33,390 --> 02:15:30,340
to tell us a story about one of the

2868
02:15:36,149 --> 02:15:33,400
incidents okay so this woman I believe

2869
02:15:39,209 --> 02:15:36,159
it was in Southern California maybe San

2870
02:15:43,080 --> 02:15:39,219
Diego I have to look up the case but the

2871
02:15:45,180 --> 02:15:43,090
general outline is she awoke next to the

2872
02:15:47,129 --> 02:15:45,190
person who was the husband of her

2873
02:15:50,189 --> 02:15:47,139
physical body and said where am i and

2874
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:50,199
she was she had not suffered a stroke or

2875
02:15:57,180 --> 02:15:52,800
anything I mean she was from another

2876
02:15:58,770 --> 02:15:57,190
universe as far as what she said was

2877
02:16:00,510 --> 02:15:58,780
concerned she was not married to this

2878
02:16:03,089 --> 02:16:00,520
guy she didn't live in Southern at

2879
02:16:05,700 --> 02:16:03,099
California she was from the Portuguese

2880
02:16:08,870 --> 02:16:05,710
Republic of America or something you

2881
02:16:12,180 --> 02:16:08,880
know some some plausible variation of

2882
02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:12,190
history of course you know since she

2883
02:16:20,040 --> 02:16:14,290
persisted in saying that sort of thing

2884
02:16:22,319 --> 02:16:20,050
they did you know fMRI and various psych

2885
02:16:24,930 --> 02:16:22,329
tests apparently there was nothing wrong

2886
02:16:27,149 --> 02:16:24,940
with her other than the distress that

2887
02:16:29,729 --> 02:16:27,159
she had that waking up in a different

2888
02:16:33,719 --> 02:16:29,739
world altogether another story of the

2889
02:16:35,310 --> 02:16:33,729
same sort was a guy who was driving to

2890
02:16:37,020 --> 02:16:35,320
his hometown

2891
02:16:41,370 --> 02:16:37,030
sounds like a Twilight Zone episode it's

2892
02:16:43,320 --> 02:16:41,380
not it actually happened and he arrives

2893
02:16:45,780 --> 02:16:43,330
and it's a different town altogether

2894
02:16:48,599 --> 02:16:45,790
it's not just that he his memories are

2895
02:16:51,270 --> 02:16:48,609
of I mean if I go to my hometown

2896
02:16:53,099 --> 02:16:51,280
it is definitely I assure you quite

2897
02:16:55,740 --> 02:16:53,109
different from the way it was when I was

2898
02:16:57,929 --> 02:16:55,750
a kid but you can tell this was a

2899
02:17:00,089 --> 02:16:57,939
different town all together with

2900
02:17:01,860 --> 02:17:00,099
different streets and different but with

2901
02:17:04,860 --> 02:17:01,870
the same name and the same Tiye

2902
02:17:08,849 --> 02:17:04,870
graphical location and he was totally a

2903
02:17:10,650 --> 02:17:08,859
loss as to where he had made a wrong

2904
02:17:13,320 --> 02:17:10,660
turn as it were

2905
02:17:15,360 --> 02:17:13,330
into another reality and then of course

2906
02:17:17,820 --> 02:17:15,370
there's the famous case in Japan of the

2907
02:17:20,850 --> 02:17:17,830
guy who came from a country that doesn't

2908
02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:20,860
exist tarik I think was the name of the

2909
02:17:27,360 --> 02:17:23,130
country he was from and then of course

2910
02:17:30,270 --> 02:17:27,370
he had a passport look legitimate he had

2911
02:17:33,509 --> 02:17:30,280
plausible stories about this place and

2912
02:17:36,990 --> 02:17:33,519
he just gotten off a plane and there was

2913
02:17:40,709 --> 02:17:37,000
the man from tarik and I believe he if I

2914
02:17:44,459 --> 02:17:40,719
remember right he just vanished shortly

2915
02:17:50,100 --> 02:17:44,469
thereafter so maybe all these are cases

2916
02:17:52,440 --> 02:17:50,110
of if they're not deceptions or cases of

2917
02:17:56,089 --> 02:17:52,450
mental illness maybe they're all people

2918
02:17:59,879 --> 02:17:56,099
that that the difference between

2919
02:18:03,290 --> 02:17:59,889
realities is very very permeable much

2920
02:18:08,490 --> 02:18:03,300
more so than we generally realize and

2921
02:18:11,310 --> 02:18:08,500
that in fact reality is on very shaky

2922
02:18:15,650 --> 02:18:11,320
grounds and that more than occasionally

2923
02:18:19,770 --> 02:18:15,660
things slide in from other realities and

2924
02:18:23,759 --> 02:18:19,780
out to other realities and it happens so

2925
02:18:26,820 --> 02:18:23,769
often that it's it's just part of our

2926
02:18:29,179 --> 02:18:26,830
world we kind of filter it out because

2927
02:18:33,240 --> 02:18:29,189
if we thought too much about it we might

2928
02:18:35,129 --> 02:18:33,250
not be able to handle it but automatic

2929
02:18:38,820 --> 02:18:35,139
example like the ones I was citing and

2930
02:18:41,370 --> 02:18:38,830
and people will you know glam on those I

2931
02:18:42,509 --> 02:18:41,380
have several that are you know personal

2932
02:18:46,290 --> 02:18:42,519
to me that

2933
02:18:48,089 --> 02:18:46,300
well the Tarawa well they are personal I

2934
02:18:51,780 --> 02:18:48,099
mean I'll tell you one and you'll see

2935
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what level of sensitivity they are G

2936
02:19:00,299 --> 02:18:55,030
knew my parents and my mother outlived

2937
02:19:03,120 --> 02:19:00,309
my father by over 25 years and she had a

2938
02:19:07,230 --> 02:19:03,130
strange not strange in the supernatural

2939
02:19:10,370 --> 02:19:07,240
sense just hard to diagnose illness for

2940
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:10,380
a while that after which we got to be

2941
02:19:14,969 --> 02:19:13,210
buds a lot better that is there was a

2942
02:19:17,490 --> 02:19:14,979
lot more candor and she told me a lot of

2943
02:19:22,270 --> 02:19:17,500
stuff about my father that I had never

2944
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:22,280
known and it was strange stuff but

2945
02:19:26,709 --> 02:19:24,170
she told me that he had died of

2946
02:19:28,629 --> 02:19:26,719
pancreatic cancer well he didn't my

2947
02:19:31,540 --> 02:19:28,639
memory is very clear he died of stomach

2948
02:19:33,610 --> 02:19:31,550
cancer now granted that they are nearby

2949
02:19:35,140 --> 02:19:33,620
organs and some of the symptoms are the

2950
02:19:36,370 --> 02:19:35,150
same but this was something that she was

2951
02:19:38,350 --> 02:19:36,380
saying as well

2952
02:19:41,860 --> 02:19:38,360
it was stomach cancer a slow growing

2953
02:19:44,440 --> 02:19:41,870
long term thing and he's been a year

2954
02:19:46,360 --> 02:19:44,450
dying so it was most unpleasant you

2955
02:19:48,160 --> 02:19:46,370
don't forget stuff like that well

2956
02:19:53,500 --> 02:19:48,170
neither would my mother she was sharp as

2957
02:19:55,960 --> 02:19:53,510
attacked at the end of her life and yet

2958
02:20:00,150 --> 02:19:55,970
we both remembered it very differently

2959
02:20:03,810 --> 02:20:00,160
now I have a shallow theory as to what

2960
02:20:07,930 --> 02:20:03,820
may have been a conflation on her part

2961
02:20:11,500 --> 02:20:07,940
couldn't be me I'm never wrong but but

2962
02:20:14,230 --> 02:20:11,510
that's a very very strange thing I mean

2963
02:20:17,550 --> 02:20:14,240
that's an important event in both of our

2964
02:20:21,790 --> 02:20:17,560
lives and yet we remembered it a

2965
02:20:23,830 --> 02:20:21,800
different diagnosis altogether yeah

2966
02:20:26,860 --> 02:20:23,840
people seem to have those types of

2967
02:20:29,590 --> 02:20:26,870
experiences like that where it can be

2968
02:20:31,810 --> 02:20:29,600
really dramatic like the initial stories

2969
02:20:37,930 --> 02:20:31,820
you were telling or can just be simple

2970
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things like a person spontaneous

2971
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dematerialization of stuff you say drop

2972
02:20:47,380 --> 02:20:44,180
something or you place something

2973
02:20:48,970 --> 02:20:47,390
somewhere and you know that you placed

2974
02:20:50,680 --> 02:20:48,980
it there you go back and you look and

2975
02:20:53,880 --> 02:20:50,690
it's just not there and there's no

2976
02:20:56,950 --> 02:20:53,890
explanation for why it's not there and

2977
02:21:00,160 --> 02:20:56,960
six weeks later it shows up exactly

2978
02:21:02,050 --> 02:21:00,170
where you'd looked a hundred times you

2979
02:21:04,150 --> 02:21:02,060
know that sort of thing and I think just

2980
02:21:08,410 --> 02:21:04,160
about everyone has experienced that in

2981
02:21:15,610 --> 02:21:08,420
their life either that or I need to get

2982
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therapy like when I moved from the

2983
02:21:22,870 --> 02:21:18,050
little redneck town that I was living in

2984
02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:22,880
to the Jewish tower some things got

2985
02:21:28,120 --> 02:21:25,850
misplaced and I have since found most of

2986
02:21:32,800 --> 02:21:28,130
them and if I don't find them I assume

2987
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that my son who is living there as well

2988
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:35,180
may have gotten them

2989
02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:39,439
or they're somewhere here but I've not

2990
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unpacked everything and I like I said I

2991
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found some of the things that I was

2992
02:21:48,790 --> 02:21:46,339
missing so that's not the same and the

2993
02:21:51,250 --> 02:21:48,800
white sock in the you know the one sock

2994
02:21:53,260 --> 02:21:51,260
in the in the dryer probably not going

2995
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to another universe is picking up static

2996
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electricity and clinging to some shirt

2997
02:22:00,219 --> 02:21:57,489
somewhere and if it shows up eventually

2998
02:22:02,769 --> 02:22:00,229
okay if it doesn't it you know was in

2999
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the shirt you wore the shirt dropped out

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of the shirt you while you were out

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public and is gone I mean but that's

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that's very common however if it's

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something like a photo or a memento or

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something and you sit it in a just so

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place and it sits in that just so place

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all the time and it's gone and you look

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into just so place and you look down on

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the floor anywhere it might have bounced

3009
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you could get a flashlight does this

3010
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sound familiar you get a flashlight look

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was supposed to be in the first place so

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here's somebody playing a trick on you

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possibly but who has access if nobody

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has access it's very strange

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let me give you the story my story

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reading glasses I have reading glasses

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and contact lenses and glasses with

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reading glasses and returned back to my

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office area and they're gone I have a

3024
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second set didn't make a big difference

3025
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but where are the reading glasses and I

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asked Barbara where are they I don't

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know I didn't steal them first comment

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are you saying I stole them no like we

3029
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didn't say that I just don't know where

3030
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they are two weeks later I'm looking

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over at my inkjet printer which is

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straight ahead

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now I stare at that printer all the time

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when I'm recording a show or at least

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when I was living in this particular

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stare towards the left and I'd look at

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the printer right in front of the

3040
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printer

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I found the glasses now I'd looked at

3042
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that printer

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between the time they disappeared and

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this is going to make us disappear for a

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3198
02:31:01,460 --> 02:30:59,641
first 50 people who buy the bridge

3199
02:31:04,280 --> 02:31:01,470
unfortunately the next two

3200
02:31:06,440 --> 02:31:04,290
people who buy the bridge well fair

3201
02:31:08,630 --> 02:31:06,450
Coase Bernie Madoff

3202
02:31:11,719 --> 02:31:08,640
he disappeared completely he must have

3203
02:31:14,750 --> 02:31:11,729
been abducted by aliens or Salvadorian

3204
02:31:15,349 --> 02:31:14,760
or Salvadorian aliens I haven't seen him

3205
02:31:17,540 --> 02:31:15,359
around

3206
02:31:20,570 --> 02:31:17,550
you know how by the way if you want to

3207
02:31:24,349 --> 02:31:20,580
really go into the spooky earth side of

3208
02:31:28,160 --> 02:31:24,359
the alternate dimensions notion it gets

3209
02:31:30,229 --> 02:31:28,170
almost to be shave Aryan because the

3210
02:31:33,080 --> 02:31:30,239
number of people who disappear without a

3211
02:31:37,340 --> 02:31:33,090
trace and don't show back up every year

3212
02:31:39,410 --> 02:31:37,350
is amazingly high you know some are

3213
02:31:44,059 --> 02:31:39,420
people that have been sold into slavery

3214
02:31:46,070 --> 02:31:44,069
and sex trade and whatever but it's a

3215
02:31:48,050 --> 02:31:46,080
staggering number I can't tell you what

3216
02:31:51,620 --> 02:31:48,060
it is offhand but it's like 6 or 7

3217
02:31:53,090 --> 02:31:51,630
figures every year every year and I'm

3218
02:31:55,519 --> 02:31:53,100
not talking about cases of

3219
02:31:58,099 --> 02:31:55,529
disappearances that show up are people

3220
02:31:59,809 --> 02:31:58,109
who had reason I'm sure Bernie Madoff if

3221
02:32:05,269 --> 02:31:59,819
he had had the opportunity would have

3222
02:32:07,760 --> 02:32:05,279
made off instead of breaking rocks or

3223
02:32:10,670 --> 02:32:07,770
whatever they do these days and in the

3224
02:32:13,340 --> 02:32:10,680
the extra country in North America known

3225
02:32:15,650 --> 02:32:13,350
as the American prison system it's a

3226
02:32:17,900 --> 02:32:15,660
large number of people that just drop

3227
02:32:19,969 --> 02:32:17,910
off the face of the earth I say that the

3228
02:32:21,860 --> 02:32:19,979
Andrew lying case was a made-up thing

3229
02:32:24,620 --> 02:32:21,870
what made up by Frank Edwards he got it

3230
02:32:26,929 --> 02:32:24,630
from an 1890s newspaper which on a dull

3231
02:32:29,030 --> 02:32:26,939
day every newspaper in those days would

3232
02:32:31,940 --> 02:32:29,040
make up a story sort of like The

3233
02:32:34,400 --> 02:32:31,950
Enquirer now but the federal Enquirer as

3234
02:32:37,400 --> 02:32:34,410
it will become known I think that that's

3235
02:32:40,190 --> 02:32:37,410
an astonishing number and begs for some

3236
02:32:42,620 --> 02:32:40,200
sort of a weird explanation of some sort

3237
02:32:45,969 --> 02:32:42,630
shaver would have said oh they took them

3238
02:32:48,559 --> 02:32:45,979
to the caves but between that and

3239
02:32:51,290 --> 02:32:48,569
dropping out of our dimension into

3240
02:32:53,210 --> 02:32:51,300
another maybe the Andrew lying case is a

3241
02:32:54,950 --> 02:32:53,220
parallel to things that have actually

3242
02:32:57,050 --> 02:32:54,960
happened routinely all the time because

3243
02:32:59,750 --> 02:32:57,060
he disappeared right in front of people

3244
02:33:02,690 --> 02:32:59,760
and I've just been binge watching one of

3245
02:33:05,479 --> 02:33:02,700
my favorite the Andrew Lange case maybe

3246
02:33:08,710 --> 02:33:05,489
I am not familiar with that what is that

3247
02:33:14,420 --> 02:33:11,389
because Frank Edwards definitely headed

3248
02:33:14,990 --> 02:33:14,430
in one of his early books I know because

3249
02:33:17,690 --> 02:33:15,000
when I

3250
02:33:20,300 --> 02:33:17,700
a teen I read everything he wrote and it

3251
02:33:23,930 --> 02:33:20,310
was in either stranger than science or

3252
02:33:26,090 --> 02:33:23,940
strangest of all I'm sure that 35 back

3253
02:33:30,290 --> 02:33:26,100
quite possible can you remind the

3254
02:33:33,230 --> 02:33:30,300
audience in the 1890s as I recall may

3255
02:33:36,110 --> 02:33:33,240
have been as far back as the 1880s a man

3256
02:33:37,760 --> 02:33:36,120
and his family were living on a farm I

3257
02:33:40,700 --> 02:33:37,770
think it's somewhere here in the south

3258
02:33:47,090 --> 02:33:40,710
but where I don't know it's all south to

3259
02:33:49,160 --> 02:33:47,100
you sir doesn't matter not Eugene it's

3260
02:33:53,540 --> 02:33:49,170
all north to the north and to the south

3261
02:33:57,080 --> 02:33:53,550
is a wall a great big Chinese wall and

3262
02:33:59,630 --> 02:33:57,090
it will have as big an effect as the

3263
02:34:04,160 --> 02:33:59,640
Great Wall of China do know maybe fewer

3264
02:34:05,120 --> 02:34:04,170
people will go missing okay so your

3265
02:34:08,060 --> 02:34:05,130
entry Lane

3266
02:34:08,680 --> 02:34:08,070
so David Politis you think he's onto

3267
02:34:11,420 --> 02:34:08,690
something

3268
02:34:14,090 --> 02:34:11,430
yeah it's a-you know I would not they

3269
02:34:17,210 --> 02:34:14,100
say lying was disappeared in front of

3270
02:34:21,410 --> 02:34:17,220
his family and four days thereafter you

3271
02:34:24,050 --> 02:34:21,420
could hear his voice in the air but then

3272
02:34:25,490 --> 02:34:24,060
that died down he was gone now maybe the

3273
02:34:27,830 --> 02:34:25,500
earth swallowed him up there are

3274
02:34:29,990 --> 02:34:27,840
sinkholes in Florida interestingly

3275
02:34:33,980 --> 02:34:30,000
enough in the same areas where you see

3276
02:34:35,840 --> 02:34:33,990
UFOs and have close encounter cases

3277
02:34:38,810 --> 02:34:35,850
there are also sinkholes that swallow

3278
02:34:40,670 --> 02:34:38,820
cars occasionally but this was in North

3279
02:34:43,220 --> 02:34:40,680
Carolina or somewhere like that and not

3280
02:34:44,930 --> 02:34:43,230
a likely place for it to be a sinkhole

3281
02:34:47,390 --> 02:34:44,940
and they didn't see a sinkhole they just

3282
02:34:50,510 --> 02:34:47,400
one second he's there in the next minute

3283
02:34:54,200 --> 02:34:50,520
he's departed next second he's departed

3284
02:34:56,360 --> 02:34:54,210
like the series the leftovers which I'm

3285
02:34:58,430 --> 02:34:56,370
very fond of I'm going to commit the

3286
02:35:00,290 --> 02:34:58,440
great sin here and mention that there

3287
02:35:01,760 --> 02:35:00,300
was a Star Trek episode where there was

3288
02:35:04,490 --> 02:35:01,770
a I think it was some sort of

3289
02:35:06,890 --> 02:35:04,500
transporter accident and Kirk ended up

3290
02:35:10,130 --> 02:35:06,900
floating in between realities and he'd

3291
02:35:13,820 --> 02:35:10,140
appear in some part of the ship to some

3292
02:35:16,160 --> 02:35:13,830
people and then disappear and bones

3293
02:35:18,080 --> 02:35:16,170
thought that she was going nuts and that

3294
02:35:19,960 --> 02:35:18,090
people were just seeing things but he

3295
02:35:22,730 --> 02:35:19,970
was really just stuck in between

3296
02:35:23,990 --> 02:35:22,740
dimensions somehow floating around the

3297
02:35:26,450 --> 02:35:24,000
original Star Trek

3298
02:35:28,520 --> 02:35:26,460
every episode he is oh it's very

3299
02:35:30,770 --> 02:35:28,530
interesting in these early days

3300
02:35:33,020 --> 02:35:30,780
Allen and I we'd call each other a lot

3301
02:35:35,211 --> 02:35:33,030
or he called me more often than I him

3302
02:35:37,461 --> 02:35:35,221
because he had more money that and I

3303
02:35:38,810 --> 02:35:37,471
remember distinctively when Batman was

3304
02:35:41,751 --> 02:35:38,820
on the first season

3305
02:35:44,631 --> 02:35:41,761
Batman was on I mean like with Adam West

3306
02:35:50,870 --> 02:35:44,641
Adam West and Burt Ward it was twice a

3307
02:35:53,480 --> 02:35:50,880
week I think Wednesday and Thursday it's

3308
02:35:55,640 --> 02:35:53,490
Batgirl yes these gentlemen's Batgirl I

3309
02:35:58,640 --> 02:35:55,650
really wasn't prepared for this but

3310
02:36:00,830 --> 02:35:58,650
there she is Batgirl so anyway we would

3311
02:36:03,860 --> 02:36:00,840
talk on the phone for like half an hour

3312
02:36:06,940 --> 02:36:03,870
about that stupid episode that we were

3313
02:36:11,751 --> 02:36:06,950
watching at the age of you know whenever

3314
02:36:13,671 --> 02:36:11,761
1966 I think it was yeah one time when I

3315
02:36:16,720 --> 02:36:13,681
was in New York I don't remember what

3316
02:36:19,251 --> 02:36:16,730
the occasion was but you and I went to a

3317
02:36:21,261 --> 02:36:19,261
movie and aside for you're telling me

3318
02:36:23,600 --> 02:36:21,271
how you got out of the draft it was a

3319
02:36:26,870 --> 02:36:23,610
patriotic move I think I didn't have

3320
02:36:29,301 --> 02:36:26,880
bone spurs no no no you told me a story

3321
02:36:32,450 --> 02:36:29,311
about glasses and staying up all nights

3322
02:36:35,270 --> 02:36:32,460
your eyes were blurred we we watched one

3323
02:36:38,091 --> 02:36:35,280
of the two Batman serials from the 1940s

3324
02:36:40,040 --> 02:36:38,101
complete at some theater in midtown

3325
02:36:42,501 --> 02:36:40,050
Manhattan that's secondary theory you

3326
02:36:46,211 --> 02:36:42,511
remember that yes Lewis Wilson played

3327
02:36:48,950 --> 02:36:46,221
Batman and the costume was so amateurish

3328
02:36:50,900 --> 02:36:48,960
listen Allan Greenfield we need to ask

3329
02:36:53,330 --> 02:36:50,910
you if we want to know more about the

3330
02:36:56,360 --> 02:36:53,340
things you do or don't do where do we

3331
02:36:58,011 --> 02:36:56,370
check out go to my facebook page now are

3332
02:36:59,600 --> 02:36:58,021
there a lot of places you can see my

3333
02:37:03,650 --> 02:36:59,610
stuff and you can just google my name

3334
02:37:06,200 --> 02:37:03,660
that's Allan a llen greenfield like it

3335
02:37:07,490 --> 02:37:06,210
sounds and you will see me all over the

3336
02:37:10,761 --> 02:37:07,500
internet because I've been on it since

3337
02:37:15,200 --> 02:37:10,771
it was the ARPANET so it goes back a dog

3338
02:37:18,890 --> 02:37:15,210
way but my facebook page is under t alan

3339
02:37:21,440 --> 02:37:18,900
greenfield author that's not my design I

3340
02:37:23,961 --> 02:37:21,450
had another page and they pulled it

3341
02:37:26,720 --> 02:37:23,971
during the period where they decided the

3342
02:37:28,341 --> 02:37:26,730
mean old Russians in Leningrad

3343
02:37:31,881 --> 02:37:28,351
or whatever they call it st. Petersburg

3344
02:37:35,450 --> 02:37:31,891
excuse me I just committed heresy have

3345
02:37:38,570 --> 02:37:35,460
been were infiltrating Facebook this

3346
02:37:40,580 --> 02:37:38,580
sounds incredibly familiar let's end it

3347
02:37:42,530 --> 02:37:40,590
there because we'll leave a cliffhanger

3348
02:37:45,200 --> 02:37:42,540
for the next appearance of Alan green

3349
02:37:49,220 --> 02:37:45,210
we should be on more often I sure should

3350
02:37:51,740 --> 02:37:49,230
yes he should sure yeah yes and guess

3351
02:37:54,860 --> 02:37:51,750
what Allen and Randall will be featured

3352
02:37:57,920 --> 02:37:54,870
also on this weeks after the para cast

3353
02:37:59,930 --> 02:37:57,930
to continue this discussion you'll find

3354
02:38:02,210 --> 02:37:59,940
us on Facebook we have two Facebook fan

3355
02:38:04,280 --> 02:38:02,220
clubs until they decide if they were

3356
02:38:07,310 --> 02:38:04,290
infiltrated and make it one I have no

3357
02:38:09,530 --> 02:38:07,320
idea where the power cast on Twitter we

3358
02:38:11,060 --> 02:38:09,540
have the power cast plus where you can

3359
02:38:13,700 --> 02:38:11,070
get a copy of the show free of the

3360
02:38:15,590 --> 02:38:13,710
network heads and you can also get the

3361
02:38:17,300 --> 02:38:15,600
after the para cast podcast where you

3362
02:38:19,250 --> 02:38:17,310
never know what's gonna happen next and

3363
02:38:21,620 --> 02:38:19,260
guess what we don't either that's what

3364
02:38:25,870 --> 02:38:21,630
makes it so much fun and you can learn

3365
02:38:28,790 --> 02:38:25,880
more if you go to plus dot the para cast

3366
02:38:30,650 --> 02:38:28,800
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3367
02:38:31,070 --> 02:38:30,660
instructions simple sign up all that

3368
02:38:33,890 --> 02:38:31,080
good stuff

3369
02:38:37,610 --> 02:38:33,900
special thanks to our guest co-host J

3370
02:38:40,700 --> 02:38:37,620
Randall Murphy and to Allen Greenfield

3371
02:38:43,100 --> 02:38:40,710
the one the only my best friend or one

3372
02:38:51,110 --> 02:38:43,110
of my best friends thank you for joining

3373
02:38:57,130 --> 02:38:53,609
[Music]

3374
02:39:00,010 --> 02:38:57,140
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3375
02:39:03,029 --> 02:39:00,020
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3376
02:39:06,729 --> 02:39:03,039
presentation of making the impossible